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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : msp|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 15
|Controlling Facilities||tower : msp|
artcc : zkc
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||landing other|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
pilot : flight engineer
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 150|
flight time total : 8500
flight time type : 5000
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
Flying first officer in an medium large transport, it was my turn to fly the leg, one of several in the day. Approaching for a landing everything was routine except for some gusty surface winds. As I flared for the T/D, I could feel the wheels ever-so-gently kiss the runway--my best landing of the month--but at that moment (and before the automatic spoilers could deploy) a gust caught us and we floated 10-15' back into the air. The captain, thinking we were still on the ground and that the automatic function of the spoilers had failed, suddenly reached out to manually deploy them. I saw him do this out of the corner of my eye, but my scream of 'not the spoilers!!' was too late. At that point, with the engines at idle, the only thing I had time to do was pull the yoke back into my lap and watch my life/job flash before my eyes. It was the most helpless feeling I've ever had in my 20 yrs of flying experience as we quite abruptly re-engaged the runway. Amazingly the only damage done was to the passenger confidence in their pilots. The occurrence of nondeployment of autospoilers is not that uncommon on the medium large transport. But, the standard practice in that case is for the PF to deploy them manually or to call 'spoilers' for the other pilot to do it. This was just a case of the captain wanting to help out west/O the proper communication. Unless requested or in an emergency, primary controls should only be operated by the primary pilot. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: PIC did not realize they had skipped and was trying to be helpful. Flight crew did not log hard landing or request hard landing inspection, which they decided in retrospect should have been accomplished. Reporter felt PIC didn't do so because he was embarrassed by what he had done.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HARD LNDG BY ACR MLG.
Narrative: FLYING F/O IN AN MLG, IT WAS MY TURN TO FLY THE LEG, ONE OF SEVERAL IN THE DAY. APCHING FOR A LNDG EVERYTHING WAS ROUTINE EXCEPT FOR SOME GUSTY SURFACE WINDS. AS I FLARED FOR THE T/D, I COULD FEEL THE WHEELS EVER-SO-GENTLY KISS THE RWY--MY BEST LNDG OF THE MONTH--BUT AT THAT MOMENT (AND BEFORE THE AUTOMATIC SPOILERS COULD DEPLOY) A GUST CAUGHT US AND WE FLOATED 10-15' BACK INTO THE AIR. THE CAPT, THINKING WE WERE STILL ON THE GND AND THAT THE AUTO FUNCTION OF THE SPOILERS HAD FAILED, SUDDENLY REACHED OUT TO MANUALLY DEPLOY THEM. I SAW HIM DO THIS OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE, BUT MY SCREAM OF 'NOT THE SPOILERS!!' WAS TOO LATE. AT THAT POINT, WITH THE ENGS AT IDLE, THE ONLY THING I HAD TIME TO DO WAS PULL THE YOKE BACK INTO MY LAP AND WATCH MY LIFE/JOB FLASH BEFORE MY EYES. IT WAS THE MOST HELPLESS FEELING I'VE EVER HAD IN MY 20 YRS OF FLYING EXPERIENCE AS WE QUITE ABRUPTLY RE-ENGAGED THE RWY. AMAZINGLY THE ONLY DAMAGE DONE WAS TO THE PAX CONFIDENCE IN THEIR PLTS. THE OCCURRENCE OF NONDEPLOYMENT OF AUTOSPOILERS IS NOT THAT UNCOMMON ON THE MLG. BUT, THE STANDARD PRACTICE IN THAT CASE IS FOR THE PF TO DEPLOY THEM MANUALLY OR TO CALL 'SPOILERS' FOR THE OTHER PLT TO DO IT. THIS WAS JUST A CASE OF THE CAPT WANTING TO HELP OUT W/O THE PROPER COM. UNLESS REQUESTED OR IN AN EMER, PRIMARY CTLS SHOULD ONLY BE OPERATED BY THE PRIMARY PLT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: PIC DID NOT REALIZE THEY HAD SKIPPED AND WAS TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. FLT CREW DID NOT LOG HARD LNDG OR REQUEST HARD LNDG INSPECTION, WHICH THEY DECIDED IN RETROSPECT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. RPTR FELT PIC DIDN'T DO SO BECAUSE HE WAS EMBARRASSED BY WHAT HE HAD DONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.