Small transport entered ord TCA without ATC clearance.

Attributes
ACN	83874
Time
Date	198801
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : obk airport : pwk
State Reference	IL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 7500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ord
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	83874
Person 2
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On an far 135 flight from madison, wi to chicago (miegs field) the first officer violated the O'hare TCA while flying under VFR. I did not discover the error until we were already in the TCA. When I asked the first officer if he knew he was in the TCA he said we were not because he believed the open area in the TCA around the palwaukee (pwk) traffic area extended all the way through the TCA. I told the first officer to turn out of the TCA and increase rate of descent. The first officer is a current 135 captain on the same type of equipment and a current 135 first officer on an small transport. He was not a current 135 first officer in our company employ at the time. The first officer did not believe me about the violation until I pulled out a current TCA chart and showed it to him. His response then was not to worry nothing would be done about it.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SMT ENTERED ORD TCA WITHOUT ATC CLRNC.

Narrative: ON AN FAR 135 FLT FROM MADISON, WI TO CHICAGO (MIEGS FIELD) THE F/O VIOLATED THE O'HARE TCA WHILE FLYING UNDER VFR. I DID NOT DISCOVER THE ERROR UNTIL WE WERE ALREADY IN THE TCA. WHEN I ASKED THE F/O IF HE KNEW HE WAS IN THE TCA HE SAID WE WERE NOT BECAUSE HE BELIEVED THE OPEN AREA IN THE TCA AROUND THE PALWAUKEE (PWK) TFC AREA EXTENDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE TCA. I TOLD THE F/O TO TURN OUT OF THE TCA AND INCREASE RATE OF DSCNT. THE F/O IS A CURRENT 135 CAPT ON THE SAME TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND A CURRENT 135 F/O ON AN SMT. HE WAS NOT A CURRENT 135 F/O IN OUR COMPANY EMPLOY AT THE TIME. THE F/O DID NOT BELIEVE ME ABOUT THE VIOLATION UNTIL I PULLED OUT A CURRENT TCA CHART AND SHOWED IT TO HIM. HIS RESPONSE THEN WAS NOT TO WORRY NOTHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.