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Less than standard separation between two small aircraft on the same airway at 8000, under the control of two different facs.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 80147 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198801 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pmd airport : bur |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tower : smx |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zla |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 9 controller radar : 12 controller supervisory : 6 |
| ASRS Report | 80147 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 13800 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was talking to ZLA in my airspace at 8000'. Edw approach tried to handoff another aircraft at 8000' opposite direction. ZLA never pointed out the aircraft to edw approach as they should have and a loss of separation resulted. ZLA had the responsibility to point out aircraft a to edw approach since they had control and separation responsibility for the aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN TWO SMA ON THE SAME AIRWAY AT 8000, UNDER THE CTL OF TWO DIFFERENT FACS.
Narrative: ACFT X WAS TALKING TO ZLA IN MY AIRSPACE AT 8000'. EDW APCH TRIED TO HANDOFF ANOTHER ACFT AT 8000' OPPOSITE DIRECTION. ZLA NEVER POINTED OUT THE ACFT TO EDW APCH AS THEY SHOULD HAVE AND A LOSS OF SEPARATION RESULTED. ZLA HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY TO POINT OUT ACFT A TO EDW APCH SINCE THEY HAD CTL AND SEPARATION RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.