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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : sna|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 3500|
msl bound upper : 3500
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : sna|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Route In Use||enroute : direct|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : atp
pilot : flight engineer
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 194|
flight time total : 23000
flight time type : 2
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
While departing sna VFR and outside of the arsa and approximately 15 mi southeast we proceeded direct to oceanside VOR. ATC advises us to call them when we landed at crq palomar airport. ATC said we went through the extended portion of the el toro arsa. I was using an IFR area chart (lax) that did not show the extension. It does however show the normal arsa. The student I was checking out had tried to buy a VFR area chart of lax without success. He did find one at crq. It was the last one they had. My feeling is: any extension of an arsa should show on an IFR area chart as well as on a VFR chart. Many people with instrument ratings navigate with IFR charts, even though they fly VFR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WHILE DEPARTING SNA VFR AND OUTSIDE OF THE ARSA AND APPROX 15 MI SE WE PROCEEDED DIRECT TO OCEANSIDE VOR. ATC ADVISES US TO CALL THEM WHEN WE LANDED AT CRQ PALOMAR ARPT. ATC SAID WE WENT THROUGH THE EXTENDED PORTION OF THE EL TORO ARSA. I WAS USING AN IFR AREA CHART (LAX) THAT DID NOT SHOW THE EXTENSION. IT DOES HOWEVER SHOW THE NORMAL ARSA. THE STUDENT I WAS CHECKING OUT HAD TRIED TO BUY A VFR AREA CHART OF LAX WITHOUT SUCCESS. HE DID FIND ONE AT CRQ. IT WAS THE LAST ONE THEY HAD. MY FEELING IS: ANY EXTENSION OF AN ARSA SHOULD SHOW ON AN IFR AREA CHART AS WELL AS ON A VFR CHART. MANY PEOPLE WITH INSTRUMENT RATINGS NAVIGATE WITH IFR CHARTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY FLY VFR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.