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An MD80 crew remarks that slc TRACON expects flts 250 KTS for departures until advised; but neither the FFU6 departure nor the pre departure clearance states a restricted speed above 10000 ft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 701350 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200606 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : s56.tracon |
| State Reference | UT |
| Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : s56.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : fairfield 6 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| ASRS Report | 701350 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 701351 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| Chart | sid : ffu6 |
Narrative:
Departing slc on the FAIRFIELD6 departure climbing through 15000 ft; ATC asked us our speed and we replied 300 KTS. ATC told us that speed should be 250 KTS. Nowhere in the 10-3 page on the fairfield departure does it say to maintain 250 KTS. This speed should be added to the commercial 10-3 page. The pre departure clearance states; 'maintain 10000 ft do not exceed 250 KTS.' the captain and I both thought that is what we always do below 10000 ft. I suggest the pre departure clearance should be changed to state; 'maintain 10000 ft do not exceed 250 KTS until advised.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CREW REMARKS THAT SLC TRACON EXPECTS FLTS 250 KTS FOR DEPS UNTIL ADVISED; BUT NEITHER THE FFU6 DEP NOR THE PDC STATES A RESTRICTED SPD ABOVE 10000 FT.
Narrative: DEPARTING SLC ON THE FAIRFIELD6 DEP CLBING THROUGH 15000 FT; ATC ASKED US OUR SPD AND WE REPLIED 300 KTS. ATC TOLD US THAT SPD SHOULD BE 250 KTS. NOWHERE IN THE 10-3 PAGE ON THE FAIRFIELD DEP DOES IT SAY TO MAINTAIN 250 KTS. THIS SPD SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE COMMERCIAL 10-3 PAGE. THE PDC STATES; 'MAINTAIN 10000 FT DO NOT EXCEED 250 KTS.' THE CAPT AND I BOTH THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS DO BELOW 10000 FT. I SUGGEST THE PDC SHOULD BE CHANGED TO STATE; 'MAINTAIN 10000 FT DO NOT EXCEED 250 KTS UNTIL ADVISED.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.