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MO20 departures tix, assigned 2000 ft, calling 7 mins after departure, proceeding through dab and mco airspace without established radar contact.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 500557 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200101 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tix.airport |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dab.tracon tower : tix.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | M-20 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller non radar : 6 controller radar : 11 controller supervisory : 0.25 controller time certified in position1 : 2 |
| ASRS Report | 500557 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : dab.tracon |
Narrative:
Mooney was issued a release to tix tower (no d-brite). 3 mins passed, and I believed that the mooney was on the ground (requiring another release). Our LOA left no provision for forwarding departure times. The mooney made initial contact over 7 mins after departure level 5000 ft (his assigned altitude was 2000 ft). If we: 1) had been advised of his departure, 2) had achieved initial contact within 2 or 3 mi from tix, or 3) had a decent radar, we would not have been surprised with his initial call location. The radar in the daytona-patrick area is not safe. We routinely use radar and non radar procedures simultaneously. Most of the time, we operate with secondary radar only. Just how is NASA locating non transponder aircraft during shuttle operations? It doesn't seem safe.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MO20 DEPS TIX, ASSIGNED 2000 FT, CALLING 7 MINS AFTER DEP, PROCEEDING THROUGH DAB AND MCO AIRSPACE WITHOUT ESTABLISHED RADAR CONTACT.
Narrative: MOONEY WAS ISSUED A RELEASE TO TIX TWR (NO D-BRITE). 3 MINS PASSED, AND I BELIEVED THAT THE MOONEY WAS ON THE GND (REQUIRING ANOTHER RELEASE). OUR LOA LEFT NO PROVISION FOR FORWARDING DEP TIMES. THE MOONEY MADE INITIAL CONTACT OVER 7 MINS AFTER DEP LEVEL 5000 FT (HIS ASSIGNED ALT WAS 2000 FT). IF WE: 1) HAD BEEN ADVISED OF HIS DEP, 2) HAD ACHIEVED INITIAL CONTACT WITHIN 2 OR 3 MI FROM TIX, OR 3) HAD A DECENT RADAR, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SURPRISED WITH HIS INITIAL CALL LOCATION. THE RADAR IN THE DAYTONA-PATRICK AREA IS NOT SAFE. WE ROUTINELY USE RADAR AND NON RADAR PROCS SIMULTANEOUSLY. MOST OF THE TIME, WE OPERATE WITH SECONDARY RADAR ONLY. JUST HOW IS NASA LOCATING NON XPONDER ACFT DURING SHUTTLE OPS? IT DOESN'T SEEM SAFE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.