An alleged unauthorized penetration of a tfr near a restr area by a falcon 20 flight crew near ZZZ, ...

Attributes
ACN	543986
Time
Date	200204
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	special use airspace : zzz.restricted
State Reference	US
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Weather Elements	Rain
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : zzz1.tower tower : pit.tower
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	543986
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : 2 milfac
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

After landing at ZZZ, I was informed that the local military had called requesting that I call them. He asked if I was aware that I had violated his restr airspace. I replied 'no' and that the vectors we received from XXX approach should have kept us to the west of the restr area. His reply was 'so you were on a flight plan' I replied 'yes', we were IFR in IMC conditions and were with XXX approach. He replied 'ok, that is all I need to know' I did not ask him exactly how or where he thought we had penetrated the restr area, or if this was an incident that would be pursued by the FAA. The tfr was shown in the NOTAMS as the ZZZ VOR YYY degree radial, X NM, 3 NM radius. XXX approach had given us vectors to the ZZZ WWW degree radial, which we intercepted and tracked to the VOR for the full VOR DME approach to runway xx. It appears that this should have kept us west and southwest of the tfr area.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ALLEGED UNAUTH PENETRATION OF A TFR NEAR A RESTR AREA BY A FALCON 20 FLC NEAR ZZZ, US.

Narrative: AFTER LNDG AT ZZZ, I WAS INFORMED THAT THE LOCAL MILITARY HAD CALLED REQUESTING THAT I CALL THEM. HE ASKED IF I WAS AWARE THAT I HAD VIOLATED HIS RESTR AIRSPACE. I REPLIED 'NO' AND THAT THE VECTORS WE RECEIVED FROM XXX APCH SHOULD HAVE KEPT US TO THE WEST OF THE RESTR AREA. HIS REPLY WAS 'SO YOU WERE ON A FLT PLAN' I REPLIED 'YES', WE WERE IFR IN IMC CONDITIONS AND WERE WITH XXX APCH. HE REPLIED 'OK, THAT IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW' I DID NOT ASK HIM EXACTLY HOW OR WHERE HE THOUGHT WE HAD PENETRATED THE RESTR AREA, OR IF THIS WAS AN INCIDENT THAT WOULD BE PURSUED BY THE FAA. THE TFR WAS SHOWN IN THE NOTAMS AS THE ZZZ VOR YYY DEG RADIAL, X NM, 3 NM RADIUS. XXX APCH HAD GIVEN US VECTORS TO THE ZZZ WWW DEG RADIAL, WHICH WE INTERCEPTED AND TRACKED TO THE VOR FOR THE FULL VOR DME APCH TO RWY XX. IT APPEARS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE KEPT US W AND SW OF THE TFR AREA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An alleged unauthorized penetration of a tfr near a restr area by a falcon 20 flight crew near ZZZ, us.