A B737-200 flight crew failed to meet a crossing restr.

Attributes
ACN	522790
Time
Date	200104
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	intersection : hoggs
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 18000 msl bound upper : 19500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival star : carmen 3
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 3650 flight time type : 120
ASRS Report	522790
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

The captain was flying the camrn 3 arrival. I had noticed the descent rate was not enough to cross hoggs intersection at FL180 as assigned, so I questioned as to if he would make it. I mentioned it at least 3 times. The captain thought hoggs was at 46 DME not 38 DME. 46 DME is actually panze intersection. Well, we crossed at like FL195 and ATC said nothing. So it seems it did not cause a traffic conflict problem. 3 reasons I believed this happened other than the obvious one of misreading a chart by the captain:. 1) I'm a first yr first officer on probation and worried for my job. Each flight we do, the captain writes a review of our performance and I did not wish to make this person upset with me. 2) I needed to be specific and ask 'are we going to make the crossing restr at 38 DME?' I needed to be more assertive until I had an answer. Lack of communication, as I never heard a response from the captain. I thought he heard me as every time I asked he did increase rate of descent. I needed to verbally hear an answer instead of assuming because he looked like he was trying to correct, but in fact never heard my questioning. 3) we do not use a cockpit intercom system on this aircraft and I believe it is a safety issue as it is hard to hear each other in a normal flying event, let alone if something went wrong and we needed to communication over more noise. In the future I will be sure to get a verbal response to my questioning.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B737-200 FLT CREW FAILED TO MEET A XING RESTR.

Narrative: THE CAPT WAS FLYING THE CAMRN 3 ARR. I HAD NOTICED THE DSCNT RATE WAS NOT ENOUGH TO CROSS HOGGS INTXN AT FL180 AS ASSIGNED, SO I QUESTIONED AS TO IF HE WOULD MAKE IT. I MENTIONED IT AT LEAST 3 TIMES. THE CAPT THOUGHT HOGGS WAS AT 46 DME NOT 38 DME. 46 DME IS ACTUALLY PANZE INTXN. WELL, WE CROSSED AT LIKE FL195 AND ATC SAID NOTHING. SO IT SEEMS IT DID NOT CAUSE A TFC CONFLICT PROB. 3 REASONS I BELIEVED THIS HAPPENED OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS ONE OF MISREADING A CHART BY THE CAPT:. 1) I'M A FIRST YR FO ON PROBATION AND WORRIED FOR MY JOB. EACH FLT WE DO, THE CAPT WRITES A REVIEW OF OUR PERFORMANCE AND I DID NOT WISH TO MAKE THIS PERSON UPSET WITH ME. 2) I NEEDED TO BE SPECIFIC AND ASK 'ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE XING RESTR AT 38 DME?' I NEEDED TO BE MORE ASSERTIVE UNTIL I HAD AN ANSWER. LACK OF COM, AS I NEVER HEARD A RESPONSE FROM THE CAPT. I THOUGHT HE HEARD ME AS EVERY TIME I ASKED HE DID INCREASE RATE OF DSCNT. I NEEDED TO VERBALLY HEAR AN ANSWER INSTEAD OF ASSUMING BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO CORRECT, BUT IN FACT NEVER HEARD MY QUESTIONING. 3) WE DO NOT USE A COCKPIT INTERCOM SYS ON THIS ACFT AND I BELIEVE IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE AS IT IS HARD TO HEAR EACH OTHER IN A NORMAL FLYING EVENT, LET ALONE IF SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND WE NEEDED TO COM OVER MORE NOISE. IN THE FUTURE I WILL BE SURE TO GET A VERBAL RESPONSE TO MY QUESTIONING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.