B737-200 captain submitted a report describing a discussion he had with ZNY ARTCC supervisor about a...

Attributes
ACN	448990
Time
Date	199909
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : lrp.vortac
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl single value : 20000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	cruise : descent cruise : enroute altitude change
Route In Use	enroute airway : ns.airway
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	448990
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Ambiguous

Narrative:

Given clearance to cross 5 NM northeast of lrp at FL200. Started down and given to next controller who cleared us down to 17000 ft. She asked us why we missed our FL200 limit. Told her we had 10 mi to go. Called supervisor upon landing. He knew nothing about it and said, 'no problem.' both captain and first officer heard and read back 5 NM north of lrp at FL200. ATC supervisor said, generally pilots are given 20 or 25 NM north lrp at FL200.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737-200 CAPT SUBMITTED A RPT DESCRIBING A DISCUSSION HE HAD WITH ZNY ARTCC SUPVR ABOUT A XING RESTR.

Narrative: GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS 5 NM NE OF LRP AT FL200. STARTED DOWN AND GIVEN TO NEXT CTLR WHO CLRED US DOWN TO 17000 FT. SHE ASKED US WHY WE MISSED OUR FL200 LIMIT. TOLD HER WE HAD 10 MI TO GO. CALLED SUPVR UPON LNDG. HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT AND SAID, 'NO PROB.' BOTH CAPT AND FO HEARD AND READ BACK 5 NM N OF LRP AT FL200. ATC SUPVR SAID, GENERALLY PLTS ARE GIVEN 20 OR 25 NM N LRP AT FL200.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

B737-200 captain submitted a report describing a discussion he had with ZNY ARTCC supervisor about a crossing restr.