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B737-200 on STAR arrival with crossing restr failed to make it partially due to strong tailwind and partly due to lack of flight crew coordination.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 384010 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199710 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : brv airport : iad |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : zdc |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 6400 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 384010 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On the coatt 3 arrival at 17000 ft, given a restr to cross 10 mi south of brv at 10000 ft, 250 KTS. Clearance received at 27 DME from brv. We had a tailwind of 40 KTS. Used idle power and speed brakes in descent but did not make the crossing restr. We did not advise the controller that we would be unable to make the restr. Later the controller asked if we had been given the restr. This event is a CRM generated problem. The captain was very hard for me to work with. He was the 'silent type' who also was an authority/authorized type of leader. He had told me I was too aggressive as the first officer and I should just do what he asked of me. During this descent the captain knew I wasn't going to make the restr. He said I should slow down. I adjusted the speed from 320 KTS to 280 KTS, which further slowed our descent rate. He had information that I could have used to make the restr, but he held the information to himself. The fix for this situation is a tough one. We're doing a lot of CRM training at our airline, and it is great training. I don't know how to reach this type of captain, though.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-200 ON STAR ARR WITH XING RESTR FAILED TO MAKE IT PARTIALLY DUE TO STRONG TAILWIND AND PARTLY DUE TO LACK OF FLC COORD.
Narrative: ON THE COATT 3 ARR AT 17000 FT, GIVEN A RESTR TO CROSS 10 MI S OF BRV AT 10000 FT, 250 KTS. CLRNC RECEIVED AT 27 DME FROM BRV. WE HAD A TAILWIND OF 40 KTS. USED IDLE PWR AND SPD BRAKES IN DSCNT BUT DID NOT MAKE THE XING RESTR. WE DID NOT ADVISE THE CTLR THAT WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO MAKE THE RESTR. LATER THE CTLR ASKED IF WE HAD BEEN GIVEN THE RESTR. THIS EVENT IS A CRM GENERATED PROB. THE CAPT WAS VERY HARD FOR ME TO WORK WITH. HE WAS THE 'SILENT TYPE' WHO ALSO WAS AN AUTH TYPE OF LEADER. HE HAD TOLD ME I WAS TOO AGGRESSIVE AS THE FO AND I SHOULD JUST DO WHAT HE ASKED OF ME. DURING THIS DSCNT THE CAPT KNEW I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE THE RESTR. HE SAID I SHOULD SLOW DOWN. I ADJUSTED THE SPD FROM 320 KTS TO 280 KTS, WHICH FURTHER SLOWED OUR DSCNT RATE. HE HAD INFO THAT I COULD HAVE USED TO MAKE THE RESTR, BUT HE HELD THE INFO TO HIMSELF. THE FIX FOR THIS SIT IS A TOUGH ONE. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CRM TRAINING AT OUR AIRLINE, AND IT IS GREAT TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACH THIS TYPE OF CAPT, THOUGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.