B757 PIC on approach to atl airport becomes upset with first officer for reporting traffic ahead in ...

Attributes
ACN	486927
Time
Date	200009
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : atl.airport
State Reference	GA
Altitude	msl single value : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : atl.tracon tower : mco.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tracon : atl.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-88
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	486927
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : wake turbulence non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Despite being briefed otherwise, first officer called MD88 in sight and we were cleared for visual to follow it. Suspect he was also slam dunked like us. We hit his wake turbulence 3-4 times resulting in roll +/-2-3 degrees, light to moderate turbulence. Made a PIREP. Several passenger and flight attendants asked about this. No injuries noted. First officer didn't call traffic just once but again after I asked him not to. I blurted out 'just what about 'don't call traffic in sight are you having a problem understanding?' at gate, sought to educate him about what acceptance of that visual clearance does in atl: disregard for wake turbulence separation by ATC who still controls spacing and assumption of all responsibility by flight crew. Told him we owe our passenger more than 2 NM spacing and ride ATC is giving. Not sure it sunk in. ZTL practices will hurt, possibly kill, someone eventually as long as pilots accept or have it accepted for them. This 'follow the leader, increase capacity' is nonsense.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B757 PIC ON APCH TO ATL ARPT BECOMES UPSET WITH FO FOR RPTING TFC AHEAD IN SIGHT.

Narrative: DESPITE BEING BRIEFED OTHERWISE, FO CALLED MD88 IN SIGHT AND WE WERE CLRED FOR VISUAL TO FOLLOW IT. SUSPECT HE WAS ALSO SLAM DUNKED LIKE US. WE HIT HIS WAKE TURB 3-4 TIMES RESULTING IN ROLL +/-2-3 DEGS, LIGHT TO MODERATE TURB. MADE A PIREP. SEVERAL PAX AND FLT ATTENDANTS ASKED ABOUT THIS. NO INJURIES NOTED. FO DIDN'T CALL TFC JUST ONCE BUT AGAIN AFTER I ASKED HIM NOT TO. I BLURTED OUT 'JUST WHAT ABOUT 'DON'T CALL TFC IN SIGHT ARE YOU HAVING A PROB UNDERSTANDING?' AT GATE, SOUGHT TO EDUCATE HIM ABOUT WHAT ACCEPTANCE OF THAT VISUAL CLRNC DOES IN ATL: DISREGARD FOR WAKE TURB SEPARATION BY ATC WHO STILL CTLS SPACING AND ASSUMPTION OF ALL RESPONSIBILITY BY FLC. TOLD HIM WE OWE OUR PAX MORE THAN 2 NM SPACING AND RIDE ATC IS GIVING. NOT SURE IT SUNK IN. ZTL PRACTICES WILL HURT, POSSIBLY KILL, SOMEONE EVENTUALLY AS LONG AS PLTS ACCEPT OR HAVE IT ACCEPTED FOR THEM. THIS 'FOLLOW THE LEADER, INCREASE CAPACITY' IS NONSENSE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

B757 PIC on approach to atl airport becomes upset with first officer for reporting traffic ahead in sight.