MD80 crew did not comply with crossing restr in phl class east airspace.

Attributes
ACN	480980
Time
Date	200008
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : lrp.vortac
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl single value : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : phl.tracon tracon : s56.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	480980
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	481238
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

At a position about 5 mi prior to lrp VOR at FL180, a clearance to cross bunts at 8000 ft and 205 KTS was given. With a descent rate of 2000-3500 FPM, conditions did not allow us to descend and slow over the allotted distance. Phl approach also called us over bunts while our navigation showed 2 mi to go to that position. I feel phl approach gives this descent too close to intersection.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 CREW DID NOT COMPLY WITH XING RESTR IN PHL CLASS E AIRSPACE.

Narrative: AT A POS ABOUT 5 MI PRIOR TO LRP VOR AT FL180, A CLRNC TO CROSS BUNTS AT 8000 FT AND 205 KTS WAS GIVEN. WITH A DSCNT RATE OF 2000-3500 FPM, CONDITIONS DID NOT ALLOW US TO DSND AND SLOW OVER THE ALLOTTED DISTANCE. PHL APCH ALSO CALLED US OVER BUNTS WHILE OUR NAV SHOWED 2 MI TO GO TO THAT POS. I FEEL PHL APCH GIVES THIS DSCNT TOO CLOSE TO INTXN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.