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Medium large transport air carrier crew received a taxi clearance to runway 25LTHAT put the aircraft in a black hole on the far east end of taxiway a.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 474813 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200006 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : i90.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 19500 flight time type : 12000 |
| ASRS Report | 474813 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ground encounters other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Situations | |
| Airport | lighting : lax.airport markings : lax.airport signage : lax.airport |
| Chart | airport : lax.airport |
| Publication | taxi chart |
Narrative:
Received clearance for taxi lax runway 25L via usual route except cross runways 25R and 25L at taxiway 'north,' turn left at 'a' to runway 25L. All is well as we run pre takeoff checklist until we pass taxiway 'F' and continue east on 'a' to the end. Execute 180 degree turn on taxiway and turn right on 'F.' holding short runway 25L. No blue taxiway lights or signage indicated access to runway 25L. This occurred despite all 6 landing lights on. Tower ground reveals to us we are not the first and will not be the last! Then he (tower ground) goes on to complain about the city not correcting this misleading situation. Contributing factor was a complete lack of experience on this taxiway (first time in 22 yrs lax) this side of field is used exclusively by freight aircraft. If I'm not the first or the last, why did controller not caution me about this very real trap? Picture a black hole and you understand the situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ACR CREW RECEIVED A TAXI CLRNC TO RWY 25LTHAT PUT THE ACFT IN A BLACK HOLE ON THE FAR E END OF TXWY A.
Narrative: RECEIVED CLRNC FOR TAXI LAX RWY 25L VIA USUAL RTE EXCEPT CROSS RWYS 25R AND 25L AT TXWY 'N,' TURN L AT 'A' TO RWY 25L. ALL IS WELL AS WE RUN PRE TKOF CHKLIST UNTIL WE PASS TXWY 'F' AND CONTINUE E ON 'A' TO THE END. EXECUTE 180 DEG TURN ON TXWY AND TURN R ON 'F.' HOLDING SHORT RWY 25L. NO BLUE TXWY LIGHTS OR SIGNAGE INDICATED ACCESS TO RWY 25L. THIS OCCURRED DESPITE ALL 6 LNDG LIGHTS ON. TWR GND REVEALS TO US WE ARE NOT THE FIRST AND WILL NOT BE THE LAST! THEN HE (TWR GND) GOES ON TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CITY NOT CORRECTING THIS MISLEADING SIT. CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS A COMPLETE LACK OF EXPERIENCE ON THIS TXWY (FIRST TIME IN 22 YRS LAX) THIS SIDE OF FIELD IS USED EXCLUSIVELY BY FREIGHT ACFT. IF I'M NOT THE FIRST OR THE LAST, WHY DID CTLR NOT CAUTION ME ABOUT THIS VERY REAL TRAP? PICTURE A BLACK HOLE AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.