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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 420925 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199811 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ilax airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2800 |
| ASRS Report | 420925 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were flying an ILS approach to runway 25L with 3 mi visibility in a B767. We encountered 2 TCASII RA's with a brasilia that was on a visual to runway 25L. We were cleared for an ILS approach to the same runway and the brasilia was 1000 ft below us on a visual to same runway. After the second RA, we decided to go around and came back for another ILS to runway 25L and landed at lax. I think this kind of arrival procedure should not be used when you have marginal WX with a visibility of 3-4 mi, and you have both aircraft going to the same runway with a plan to sidestep to runway 25R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON AN E120 WHILE ON APCH FOR RWY 25L AT LAX AND A GO AROUND.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING AN ILS APCH TO RWY 25L WITH 3 MI VISIBILITY IN A B767. WE ENCOUNTERED 2 TCASII RA'S WITH A BRASILIA THAT WAS ON A VISUAL TO RWY 25L. WE WERE CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH TO THE SAME RWY AND THE BRASILIA WAS 1000 FT BELOW US ON A VISUAL TO SAME RWY. AFTER THE SECOND RA, WE DECIDED TO GO AROUND AND CAME BACK FOR ANOTHER ILS TO RWY 25L AND LANDED AT LAX. I THINK THIS KIND OF ARR PROC SHOULD NOT BE USED WHEN YOU HAVE MARGINAL WX WITH A VISIBILITY OF 3-4 MI, AND YOU HAVE BOTH ACFT GOING TO THE SAME RWY WITH A PLAN TO SIDESTEP TO RWY 25R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.