Clearance disputed - air carrier md-80 is overflown while on the taxiway crossing the approach end of the parallel runway. Ground controller claims that the flight crew was told to hold short of the taxiway.

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Attributes
ACN	298904
Time
Date	199503
Day	Tue
Place
Locale Reference	airport : den
State Reference	CO
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : fat
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	other : unknown
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	298904
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	298904
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 0 vertical : 300
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

When departing C concourse on what appears to be taxiway cn, traveling east on the north side of the concourse to control. Then ground cleared us to cross lima, taxi to runway 17R on M. As we taxied, he realized we had a long ATC hold and cleared us to runway 17L on taxiway ed right on taxiway P to hold on P9. As we taxied on ed, an airplane landed on runway 17R over the top of us. When ground was questioned, he stated, we were told to hold short of ed. Even looking back it appears we were on ed since leaving the gate on the north side of concourse C. Reference pg 10-9. How do you hold short of a taxiway you are on. I do not believe we were told to hold short of ed. There would have been an immediate question of that clearance since I believed we were on ed. This needs to be clarified on the charts and in the terminology used by the ground control.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CLRNC DISPUTED - ACR MD-80 IS OVERFLOWN WHILE ON THE TXWY XING THE APCH END OF THE PARALLEL RWY. GND CTLR CLAIMS THAT THE FLC WAS TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE TXWY.

Narrative: WHEN DEPARTING C CONCOURSE ON WHAT APPEARS TO BE TXWY CN, TRAVELING E ON THE N SIDE OF THE CONCOURSE TO CTL. THEN GND CLRED US TO CROSS LIMA, TAXI TO RWY 17R ON M. AS WE TAXIED, HE REALIZED WE HAD A LONG ATC HOLD AND CLRED US TO RWY 17L ON TXWY ED R ON TXWY P TO HOLD ON P9. AS WE TAXIED ON ED, AN AIRPLANE LANDED ON RWY 17R OVER THE TOP OF US. WHEN GND WAS QUESTIONED, HE STATED, WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF ED. EVEN LOOKING BACK IT APPEARS WE WERE ON ED SINCE LEAVING THE GATE ON THE N SIDE OF CONCOURSE C. REF PG 10-9. HOW DO YOU HOLD SHORT OF A TXWY YOU ARE ON. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF ED. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AN IMMEDIATE QUESTION OF THAT CLRNC SINCE I BELIEVED WE WERE ON ED. THIS NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED ON THE CHARTS AND IN THE TERMINOLOGY USED BY THE GND CTL.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.