Mdt cleared to position and hold then told hold short as traffic on close base.

Attributes
ACN	247257
Time
Date	199307
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw
State Reference	TX
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : stl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5600 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	247257
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	247464
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error

Narrative:

Clearance was 'taxi into position and hold.' clearance was acknowledged by first officer. I (captain) called for 'before takeoff checks' which were then accomplished. After crossing the hold line, but not yet on the runway, controller said, 'hold short, hold short.' at that time crew saw an aircraft on close-in base to final. I (captain) said, 'bad call at 13L.' was told controller was in training and hold short was acknowledged. Some discussion took place as to whether or not we had held short. I (captain) stated we were short of the runway but across the hold line. It sounds like the local controller thought the initial clearance was 'hold short.' it was not.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MDT CLRED TO POS AND HOLD THEN TOLD HOLD SHORT AS TFC ON CLOSE BASE.

Narrative: CLRNC WAS 'TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD.' CLRNC WAS ACKNOWLEDGED BY FO. I (CAPT) CALLED FOR 'BEFORE TKOF CHKS' WHICH WERE THEN ACCOMPLISHED. AFTER XING THE HOLD LINE, BUT NOT YET ON THE RWY, CTLR SAID, 'HOLD SHORT, HOLD SHORT.' AT THAT TIME CREW SAW AN ACFT ON CLOSE-IN BASE TO FINAL. I (CAPT) SAID, 'BAD CALL AT 13L.' WAS TOLD CTLR WAS IN TRAINING AND HOLD SHORT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED. SOME DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD HELD SHORT. I (CAPT) STATED WE WERE SHORT OF THE RWY BUT ACROSS THE HOLD LINE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LCL CTLR THOUGHT THE INITIAL CLRNC WAS 'HOLD SHORT.' IT WAS NOT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.