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Large transport cleared for visual has TCASII RA with second aircraft cleared for visual with reporter aircraft in sight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 243803 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199306 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : stl |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 243803 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Descending to 6000 ft on a heading to intercept the localizer of the lda DME runway 12L at stl. Approach cleared us for the visual runway 12L and gave traffic at 3 O'clock which had us in sight. At that point we got a TCASII RA. We had visual on the traffic and followed the TCASII commands to avoid conflict. As far as I know we were following our clearance precisely! Stl approach turned us on side-by-side, no stagger! Stl expected us to essentially do their job! Very poor ATC!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT CLRED FOR VISUAL HAS TCASII RA WITH SECOND ACFT CLRED FOR VISUAL WITH RPTR ACFT IN SIGHT.
Narrative: DSNDING TO 6000 FT ON A HDG TO INTERCEPT THE LOC OF THE LDA DME RWY 12L AT STL. APCH CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL RWY 12L AND GAVE TFC AT 3 O'CLOCK WHICH HAD US IN SIGHT. AT THAT POINT WE GOT A TCASII RA. WE HAD VISUAL ON THE TFC AND FOLLOWED THE TCASII COMMANDS TO AVOID CONFLICT. AS FAR AS I KNOW WE WERE FOLLOWING OUR CLRNC PRECISELY! STL APCH TURNED US ON SIDE-BY-SIDE, NO STAGGER! STL EXPECTED US TO ESSENTIALLY DO THEIR JOB! VERY POOR ATC!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.