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Flight crew of medium large transport approaching clt protest routing assigned by ZJX that put them in WX they were anxious to avoid. Their route requested was described by ZJX controller as closed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 186301 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199108 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : flo airport : clt |
| State Reference | SC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : zjx |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 175 |
| ASRS Report | 186301 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Jax center issued a rerte to my flight to change from the chesterfield arrival, proceed direct greenwood unarm arrival to clt. The problem I have is the WX on the chesterfield arrival was light rain showers with some small areas of moderate rain. My radar showed heavy rain between greenwood and clt. I requested to remain on the chesterfield arrival. My request was denied the controller stating that the 'airspace was closed.' jax center frequency 124.07 subjected my flight to a more precarious flight than had I stayed on my flight plan. I do not feel it is proper to declare an emergency to use the normal arrival airspace. ATC lacked flexibility and exercised extremely poor judgement. Normally I feel it is a team effort between the aircrew and ATC, but when airspace is 'closed' coupled with such extremely poor judgement as shown by ATC it is only a matter of time before an accident or mishap occurs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG APCHING CLT PROTEST RTING ASSIGNED BY ZJX THAT PUT THEM IN WX THEY WERE ANXIOUS TO AVOID. THEIR RTE REQUESTED WAS DESCRIBED BY ZJX CTLR AS CLOSED.
Narrative: JAX CENTER ISSUED A RERTE TO MY FLT TO CHANGE FROM THE CHESTERFIELD ARR, PROCEED DIRECT GREENWOOD UNARM ARR TO CLT. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THE WX ON THE CHESTERFIELD ARR WAS LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS WITH SOME SMALL AREAS OF MODERATE RAIN. MY RADAR SHOWED HVY RAIN BTWN GREENWOOD AND CLT. I REQUESTED TO REMAIN ON THE CHESTERFIELD ARR. MY REQUEST WAS DENIED THE CTLR STATING THAT THE 'AIRSPACE WAS CLOSED.' JAX CENTER FREQ 124.07 SUBJECTED MY FLT TO A MORE PRECARIOUS FLT THAN HAD I STAYED ON MY FLT PLAN. I DO NOT FEEL IT IS PROPER TO DECLARE AN EMER TO USE THE NORMAL ARR AIRSPACE. ATC LACKED FLEXIBILITY AND EXERCISED EXTREMELY POOR JUDGEMENT. NORMALLY I FEEL IT IS A TEAM EFFORT BTWN THE AIRCREW AND ATC, BUT WHEN AIRSPACE IS 'CLOSED' COUPLED WITH SUCH EXTREMELY POOR JUDGEMENT AS SHOWN BY ATC IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE AN ACCIDENT OR MISHAP OCCURS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.