Flight crew of medium large transport in climb had conflict with MTR.

Attributes
ACN	165897
Time
Date	199012
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : crg
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 12500 msl bound upper : 13000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute airway : zjx
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Military Trainer
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 172 flight time total : 9600 flight time type : 398
ASRS Report	165897
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	165999
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 2000 vertical : 800
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Departure from mco to iad. The assigned heading was 300 degrees. Just crossing J53 approximately 80 mi south of craig VOR, ZJX controling. Climbing through 12500' to assigned altitude of 13000', an MTR was spotted out of left front window at a close range. Evasive action was initiated and the climb was stopped, and a descent initiated until the MTR passed overhead, then climbed to assigned altitude of 13000'. The controller was notified of the evasive action and told about the MTR; however, he said the MTR was climbing through 14000'. We asked for current altimeter and they were set properly. It was then determined that the MTR was a flight of 2. The lead MTR had the transponder readout, and the second was supposed to be in standard formation. It appeared that in fact the second MTR was approximately 1000' below the lead. If in a formation flight of 2 and the second aircraft is unable to keep in formation during a climb, ATC should have been advised to block out airspace, or possibly second aircraft should have altitude reporting on.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLT CREW OF MLG IN CLIMB HAD CONFLICT WITH MTR.

Narrative: DEP FROM MCO TO IAD. THE ASSIGNED HDG WAS 300 DEGS. JUST XING J53 APPROX 80 MI S OF CRAIG VOR, ZJX CTLING. CLBING THROUGH 12500' TO ASSIGNED ALT OF 13000', AN MTR WAS SPOTTED OUT OF LEFT FRONT WINDOW AT A CLOSE RANGE. EVASIVE ACTION WAS INITIATED AND THE CLB WAS STOPPED, AND A DSNT INITIATED UNTIL THE MTR PASSED OVERHEAD, THEN CLBED TO ASSIGNED ALT OF 13000'. THE CTLR WAS NOTIFIED OF THE EVASIVE ACTION AND TOLD ABOUT THE MTR; HOWEVER, HE SAID THE MTR WAS CLBING THROUGH 14000'. WE ASKED FOR CURRENT ALTIMETER AND THEY WERE SET PROPERLY. IT WAS THEN DETERMINED THAT THE MTR WAS A FLT OF 2. THE LEAD MTR HAD THE XPONDER READOUT, AND THE SECOND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN STANDARD FORMATION. IT APPEARED THAT IN FACT THE SECOND MTR WAS APPROX 1000' BELOW THE LEAD. IF IN A FORMATION FLT OF 2 AND THE SECOND ACFT IS UNABLE TO KEEP IN FORMATION DURING A CLB, ATC SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO BLOCK OUT AIRSPACE, OR POSSIBLY SECOND ACFT SHOULD HAVE ALT RPTING ON.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.