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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1177476 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201406 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | MMMX.Airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Route In Use | STAR AVSAR TWO ALPHA |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Component | |
| Aircraft Component | FMS/FMC |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying First Officer |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying Captain |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 70 Flight Crew Total 12800 Flight Crew Type 4800 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Altitude Overshoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Avsar 2A arrival into MMMX (same issue applies to all arrivals from the north). Per ATC 'cleared to descend via avsar 2A.' looking at chart; STAR clearly ends at smo; not slm. Altitude at smo is 12;000 per chart. Passing slm we noticed traffic below us at 12;000. We were descending from 13;000 over slm to 12;000. ATC told us to level off at 13;000; so we climbed back up from about 12;700 to 13;000.ATC appears to be under the impression that the minimum altitude is 13;000 when cleared to descend via. From everything I read and my interpretation; the minimum altitude on the descend via is 12;000 after passing slm; to smo. Someone should clarify this with mexican ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A crew cleared to DESCEND VIA the MMMX AVSAR TWO ALPHA crossed SLM at 13;000 FT then began a descent to 12;000 FT; which they believed that to be the SMO crossing altitude; but ATC told them to return to 13;000 FT for traffic. The crew was informed 12;000 FT was the MEA; not segment altitude.
Narrative: AVSAR 2A arrival into MMMX (same issue applies to all arrivals from the north). Per ATC 'Cleared to descend via AVSAR 2A.' Looking at chart; STAR clearly ends at SMO; not SLM. Altitude at SMO is 12;000 per chart. Passing SLM we noticed traffic below us at 12;000. We were descending from 13;000 over SLM to 12;000. ATC told us to level off at 13;000; so we climbed back up from about 12;700 to 13;000.ATC appears to be under the impression that the minimum altitude is 13;000 when cleared to descend via. From everything I read and my interpretation; the minimum altitude on the descend via is 12;000 after passing SLM; to SMO. Someone should clarify this with Mexican ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.