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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : emt|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 4700|
msl bound upper : 4700
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : bur|
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||climbout : intermediate altitude|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 55|
flight time total : 301
flight time type : 111
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : departure|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : exited adverse environment|
none taken : detected after the fact
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Departure lgb. Destination pacoima. Visibility 5-7 K/H. Flew eastbound from lgb to intercept the 360 degree right fr sli. Was maintaining 3500' while tracking northbound under the la TCA. At midpoint I tuned the ADF to 359 degrees and homed to emt. When I reached emt airport and intercepted the 096 degree right fr vny (V186). I tracked wbound toward the bur arsa. I called bur approach on 135.05 and announced my intentions. They directed me to stay clear of the arsa. I remained on V186 and began climbing to overfly the arsa. I received a call back asking me to verify my altitude. I reported 4700' and climbing. They told me to turn right 30 degrees and said that I was in the TCA. I replied that my VOR indicated that I was on V186. They said that I was some mi south of V186 and was actually on the border of the TCA. Due to that last comment, it is unclear to me if I was actually in the TCA. It seems that some controllers have a preferred phrase to private pilots, 'remain clear of the arsa.' if I had been directly on the radial as I thought my VOR indicated, I could have climbed on top west/O incident. I try to be a safe pilot and use whatever radar coverage is available for added safety. I could have elected to fly low and slow skirting the mountains and keeping my mouth shut rather than trying to participate in the arsa. Upon my return flight from pacoima, I obtained radar coverage from bur approach on 120.4, but after a handoff to 135.05 I was informed that my radar coverage was lost and to remain clear of the arsa. How does one remain clear when already in it?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE AND COMPLAINT ABOUT HANDLING BY BUR TRACON.
Narrative: DEP LGB. DEST PACOIMA. VIS 5-7 K/H. FLEW EBND FROM LGB TO INTERCEPT THE 360 DEG R FR SLI. WAS MAINTAINING 3500' WHILE TRACKING NBOUND UNDER THE LA TCA. AT MIDPOINT I TUNED THE ADF TO 359 DEGS AND HOMED TO EMT. WHEN I REACHED EMT ARPT AND INTERCEPTED THE 096 DEG R FR VNY (V186). I TRACKED WBOUND TOWARD THE BUR ARSA. I CALLED BUR APCH ON 135.05 AND ANNOUNCED MY INTENTIONS. THEY DIRECTED ME TO STAY CLR OF THE ARSA. I REMAINED ON V186 AND BEGAN CLBING TO OVERFLY THE ARSA. I RECEIVED A CALL BACK ASKING ME TO VERIFY MY ALT. I RPTED 4700' AND CLBING. THEY TOLD ME TO TURN RIGHT 30 DEGS AND SAID THAT I WAS IN THE TCA. I REPLIED THAT MY VOR INDICATED THAT I WAS ON V186. THEY SAID THAT I WAS SOME MI S OF V186 AND WAS ACTUALLY ON THE BORDER OF THE TCA. DUE TO THAT LAST COMMENT, IT IS UNCLEAR TO ME IF I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE TCA. IT SEEMS THAT SOME CTLRS HAVE A PREFERRED PHRASE TO PVT PLTS, 'REMAIN CLR OF THE ARSA.' IF I HAD BEEN DIRECTLY ON THE RADIAL AS I THOUGHT MY VOR INDICATED, I COULD HAVE CLBED ON TOP W/O INCIDENT. I TRY TO BE A SAFE PLT AND USE WHATEVER RADAR COVERAGE IS AVAILABLE FOR ADDED SAFETY. I COULD HAVE ELECTED TO FLY LOW AND SLOW SKIRTING THE MOUNTAINS AND KEEPING MY MOUTH SHUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ARSA. UPON MY RETURN FLT FROM PACOIMA, I OBTAINED RADAR COVERAGE FROM BUR APCH ON 120.4, BUT AFTER A HDOF TO 135.05 I WAS INFORMED THAT MY RADAR COVERAGE WAS LOST AND TO REMAIN CLR OF THE ARSA. HOW DOES ONE REMAIN CLR WHEN ALREADY IN IT?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.