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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : pvg|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 700|
msl bound upper : 800
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
pilot : atp
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 300|
flight time total : 3750
flight time type : 15
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
|Anomaly||conflict : nmac|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : took evasive action|
|Miss Distance||horizontal : 0|
vertical : 300
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
I have purchased an small aircraft and I agreed that I should fly from the back seat, do some aerobatics and practice some lndgs. We had accomplished 4 stop and go lndgs and subsequent takeoffs. On climb out I departed runway 20 and at 500' began my left turn to crosswind. I had lowered the nose to look for traffic. I looked right for traffic, then left as I began my turn. The instrument bumped the stick back, then pulled the nose high. I followed his line of sight just in time to see a low wing small aircraft disappear under our aircraft. Maximum pitch attitude may have reached 40 degrees. After the traffic passed under us from right to left we climbed to the proper pattern altitude. The aircraft never got within 300' of each other, however they would have passed within 100' if evasive action had not been taken. The low wing small aircraft was new traffic. The low wing small aircraft would have passed very close under us, even west/O evasive action, so his maximum altitude upon entering downwind could not have been more than 700' and I would estimate he was closer to 600'. (Referring to the NDB 2 approach chart may give some insight as to why an aircraft would be at this altitude at this point.) we were flying a proper pattern with proper flight and radio procedures. There is no way that an aircraft could have been in the location the low wing small aircraft was in if the pilot would have executed a proper 45 degree entry to downwind at the proper altitude. As anyone can see the nose up , wing up position of a biplane makes seeing an aircraft entering downwind straight in difficult. However, we lowered the nose and leveled looking for just this occurrence. It can also be noted from the above diagram that the low wing small aircraft was on a very close in downwind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA OPERATING NON TWR ARPT TRAFFIC PATTERN ENCOUNTERS SMA ENTERING TRAFFIC PATTERN NON STANDARD.
Narrative: I HAVE PURCHASED AN SMA AND I AGREED THAT I SHOULD FLY FROM THE BACK SEAT, DO SOME AEROBATICS AND PRACTICE SOME LNDGS. WE HAD ACCOMPLISHED 4 STOP AND GO LNDGS AND SUBSEQUENT TKOFS. ON CLBOUT I DEPARTED RWY 20 AND AT 500' BEGAN MY LEFT TURN TO XWIND. I HAD LOWERED THE NOSE TO LOOK FOR TFC. I LOOKED RIGHT FOR TFC, THEN LEFT AS I BEGAN MY TURN. THE INSTR BUMPED THE STICK BACK, THEN PULLED THE NOSE HIGH. I FOLLOWED HIS LINE OF SIGHT JUST IN TIME TO SEE A LOW WING SMA DISAPPEAR UNDER OUR ACFT. MAX PITCH ATTITUDE MAY HAVE REACHED 40 DEGS. AFTER THE TFC PASSED UNDER US FROM RIGHT TO LEFT WE CLBED TO THE PROPER PATTERN ALT. THE ACFT NEVER GOT WITHIN 300' OF EACH OTHER, HOWEVER THEY WOULD HAVE PASSED WITHIN 100' IF EVASIVE ACTION HAD NOT BEEN TAKEN. THE LOW WING SMA WAS NEW TFC. THE LOW WING SMA WOULD HAVE PASSED VERY CLOSE UNDER US, EVEN W/O EVASIVE ACTION, SO HIS MAX ALT UPON ENTERING DOWNWIND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 700' AND I WOULD ESTIMATE HE WAS CLOSER TO 600'. (REFERRING TO THE NDB 2 APCH CHART MAY GIVE SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHY AN ACFT WOULD BE AT THIS ALT AT THIS POINT.) WE WERE FLYING A PROPER PATTERN WITH PROPER FLT AND RADIO PROCS. THERE IS NO WAY THAT AN ACFT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE LOCATION THE LOW WING SMA WAS IN IF THE PLT WOULD HAVE EXECUTED A PROPER 45 DEG ENTRY TO DOWNWIND AT THE PROPER ALT. AS ANYONE CAN SEE THE NOSE UP , WING UP POS OF A BIPLANE MAKES SEEING AN ACFT ENTERING DOWNWIND STRAIGHT IN DIFFICULT. HOWEVER, WE LOWERED THE NOSE AND LEVELED LOOKING FOR JUST THIS OCCURRENCE. IT CAN ALSO BE NOTED FROM THE ABOVE DIAGRAM THAT THE LOW WING SMA WAS ON A VERY CLOSE IN DOWNWIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.