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Armel 1 STAR is used for both dca and iad, but the procedure is different. Reporter suggests name change.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 94584 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198809 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : iad |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc artcc : zob |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1600 |
| ASRS Report | 94584 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Armel 1 arrival STAR is depicted for both washington dulles and washington national. The procedures are different. We were going into iad from dtw. I flipped open the commercial chart book for the washington armel 1 arrival at dca west/O noticing it. About 10 mins later I realized the mistake and got the right chart out. It's an easy mistake to make because the dca and dulles charts are grouped together and you just FLIP open the book to armel 1 arrival. Hou has the same problem with the daisetta 7 arrival. Perhaps they should rename some of these arrs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARMEL 1 STAR IS USED FOR BOTH DCA AND IAD, BUT THE PROC IS DIFFERENT. REPORTER SUGGESTS NAME CHANGE.
Narrative: ARMEL 1 ARR STAR IS DEPICTED FOR BOTH WASHINGTON DULLES AND WASHINGTON NATIONAL. THE PROCS ARE DIFFERENT. WE WERE GOING INTO IAD FROM DTW. I FLIPPED OPEN THE COMMERCIAL CHART BOOK FOR THE WASHINGTON ARMEL 1 ARR AT DCA W/O NOTICING IT. ABOUT 10 MINS LATER I REALIZED THE MISTAKE AND GOT THE RIGHT CHART OUT. IT'S AN EASY MISTAKE TO MAKE BECAUSE THE DCA AND DULLES CHARTS ARE GROUPED TOGETHER AND YOU JUST FLIP OPEN THE BOOK TO ARMEL 1 ARR. HOU HAS THE SAME PROB WITH THE DAISETTA 7 ARR. PERHAPS THEY SHOULD RENAME SOME OF THESE ARRS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.