<< >> NASA ASRS Report 86252, April 1988

Charter small transport unauthorized runway entry. Flight crew continued past runway hold line that is displaced approximately 1500' from runway end.

Attributes
ACN	86252
Time
Date	198804
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cho
State Reference	VA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 186 flight time total : 6915 flight time type : 87
ASRS Report	86252
Person 2
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Taxiing north on the parallel, I came to a runway hold line about 1500' from the runway 3 threshold. I was surprised by how far it was from the runway end and remarked so to the copilot. I was about to call ground back when the copilot said something to the effect 'keep going, that's not it'. He sounded so confident that I assumed (and you know what they say about that word) that from his experience he knew that there was another line near the end of the runway. However, as we got to the threshold, it became apparent that the line we had passed was the only line. About this time ground admonished us that we had crossed the hold line without authorization, and to taxi back to it to permit landing an aircraft in the pattern. The taxiway proved to be too narrow to do a 180 degree, so we simply asked to takeoff instead, and were clrd by tower. The moral of this incident is clear and simple -- when in doubt, ask ATC for clarification before proceeding.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CHARTER SMT UNAUTH RWY ENTRY. FLT CREW CONTINUED PAST RWY HOLD LINE THAT IS DISPLACED APPROX 1500' FROM RWY END.

Narrative: TAXIING NORTH ON THE PARALLEL, I CAME TO A RWY HOLD LINE ABOUT 1500' FROM THE RWY 3 THRESHOLD. I WAS SURPRISED BY HOW FAR IT WAS FROM THE RWY END AND REMARKED SO TO THE COPLT. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL GND BACK WHEN THE COPLT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT 'KEEP GOING, THAT'S NOT IT'. HE SOUNDED SO CONFIDENT THAT I ASSUMED (AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THAT WORD) THAT FROM HIS EXPERIENCE HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER LINE NEAR THE END OF THE RWY. HOWEVER, AS WE GOT TO THE THRESHOLD, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THE LINE WE HAD PASSED WAS THE ONLY LINE. ABOUT THIS TIME GND ADMONISHED US THAT WE HAD CROSSED THE HOLD LINE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, AND TO TAXI BACK TO IT TO PERMIT LNDG AN ACFT IN THE PATTERN. THE TXWY PROVED TO BE TOO NARROW TO DO A 180 DEG, SO WE SIMPLY ASKED TO TKOF INSTEAD, AND WERE CLRD BY TWR. THE MORAL OF THIS INCIDENT IS CLEAR AND SIMPLE -- WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK ATC FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE PROCEEDING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.