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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : cho|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng|
|Flight Phase||ground : holding|
ground other : taxi
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 186|
flight time total : 6915
flight time type : 87
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
|Anomaly||incursion : runway|
non adherence : far
non adherence : clearance
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Taxiing north on the parallel, I came to a runway hold line about 1500' from the runway 3 threshold. I was surprised by how far it was from the runway end and remarked so to the copilot. I was about to call ground back when the copilot said something to the effect 'keep going, that's not it'. He sounded so confident that I assumed (and you know what they say about that word) that from his experience he knew that there was another line near the end of the runway. However, as we got to the threshold, it became apparent that the line we had passed was the only line. About this time ground admonished us that we had crossed the hold line without authorization, and to taxi back to it to permit landing an aircraft in the pattern. The taxiway proved to be too narrow to do a 180 degree, so we simply asked to takeoff instead, and were clrd by tower. The moral of this incident is clear and simple -- when in doubt, ask ATC for clarification before proceeding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CHARTER SMT UNAUTH RWY ENTRY. FLT CREW CONTINUED PAST RWY HOLD LINE THAT IS DISPLACED APPROX 1500' FROM RWY END.
Narrative: TAXIING NORTH ON THE PARALLEL, I CAME TO A RWY HOLD LINE ABOUT 1500' FROM THE RWY 3 THRESHOLD. I WAS SURPRISED BY HOW FAR IT WAS FROM THE RWY END AND REMARKED SO TO THE COPLT. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL GND BACK WHEN THE COPLT SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT 'KEEP GOING, THAT'S NOT IT'. HE SOUNDED SO CONFIDENT THAT I ASSUMED (AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THAT WORD) THAT FROM HIS EXPERIENCE HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER LINE NEAR THE END OF THE RWY. HOWEVER, AS WE GOT TO THE THRESHOLD, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THE LINE WE HAD PASSED WAS THE ONLY LINE. ABOUT THIS TIME GND ADMONISHED US THAT WE HAD CROSSED THE HOLD LINE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, AND TO TAXI BACK TO IT TO PERMIT LNDG AN ACFT IN THE PATTERN. THE TXWY PROVED TO BE TOO NARROW TO DO A 180 DEG, SO WE SIMPLY ASKED TO TKOF INSTEAD, AND WERE CLRD BY TWR. THE MORAL OF THIS INCIDENT IS CLEAR AND SIMPLE -- WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK ATC FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE PROCEEDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.