Air carrier large transport vectored into active restricted area because of coordination and rdp pro...

Attributes
ACN	85469
Time
Date	198804
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : sdz
State Reference	NC
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc artcc : ztl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	85469
Person 2
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

Our problem arose due to a combination of 2 factors--an ATC computer problem at ZTL and no response from ZDC once handed off to them. Originally, we were given a vector of 095 degrees from clt departure. We climbed to 11000' and were given an 090 degree vector by ZTL. We requested direct fay, but ZTL told us to make our request with ZDC on 132.4. No response from ZDC prompted us to go back to ZTL, who told us to 'stay with me.' numerous times we told him that our present heading would take us into restr area R5311. Their acknowledgement of 'continue 090 degree heading' caused us to assume that the restr area 5311 was cold. This was a sat afternoon and could logically be the case. Though they never said 'cleared through R5311,' we were told to maintain the heading more than once. Finally we were handed off to ZDC once again and they gave us an immediate left turn to 280 degrees--a course reversal--and a descent to 7000'. At this point the captain exchanged a few argumentative words with the controller who informed us that we had penetrated the restr airspace in which an air show was scheduled. By our best estimate, we were approximately 1 mi inside the boundary.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT VECTORED INTO ACTIVE RESTRICTED AREA BECAUSE OF COORD AND RDP PROBLEMS.

Narrative: OUR PROB AROSE DUE TO A COMBINATION OF 2 FACTORS--AN ATC COMPUTER PROB AT ZTL AND NO RESPONSE FROM ZDC ONCE HANDED OFF TO THEM. ORIGINALLY, WE WERE GIVEN A VECTOR OF 095 DEGS FROM CLT DEP. WE CLBED TO 11000' AND WERE GIVEN AN 090 DEG VECTOR BY ZTL. WE REQUESTED DIRECT FAY, BUT ZTL TOLD US TO MAKE OUR REQUEST WITH ZDC ON 132.4. NO RESPONSE FROM ZDC PROMPTED US TO GO BACK TO ZTL, WHO TOLD US TO 'STAY WITH ME.' NUMEROUS TIMES WE TOLD HIM THAT OUR PRESENT HDG WOULD TAKE US INTO RESTR AREA R5311. THEIR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF 'CONTINUE 090 DEG HDG' CAUSED US TO ASSUME THAT THE RESTR AREA 5311 WAS COLD. THIS WAS A SAT AFTERNOON AND COULD LOGICALLY BE THE CASE. THOUGH THEY NEVER SAID 'CLRED THROUGH R5311,' WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN THE HDG MORE THAN ONCE. FINALLY WE WERE HANDED OFF TO ZDC ONCE AGAIN AND THEY GAVE US AN IMMEDIATE LEFT TURN TO 280 DEGS--A COURSE REVERSAL--AND A DSCNT TO 7000'. AT THIS POINT THE CAPT EXCHANGED A FEW ARGUMENTATIVE WORDS WITH THE CTLR WHO INFORMED US THAT WE HAD PENETRATED THE RESTR AIRSPACE IN WHICH AN AIR SHOW WAS SCHEDULED. BY OUR BEST ESTIMATE, WE WERE APPROX 1 MI INSIDE THE BOUNDARY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier large transport vectored into active restricted area because of coordination and rdp problems.