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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : dag|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 28000|
msl bound upper : 32000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : edw|
|Make Model Name||Fighter|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : approach|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Affiliation||government : military|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : military|
|Anomaly||airspace violation : exit|
other anomaly other
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : insufficient time|
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Operational Deviation|
Inter Facility Coordination Failure
|ATC Facility||procedure or policy : unspecified|
At approximately XXXX (uct), 3/89, fgt X was requesting a high altitude supersonic corridor run from fl 280 through FL320 from the entry point 6, which is the daggett VOR/soda lake entry point and an exit point 3 which is mt pinos north. I coordinated all of the information available to me, such as the position binder which had the profile of the supersonic corridor in it and the overhead maps which show ZLA's sectors that are relevant to edw approach control's airspace. After considering all of the information involved and considering the aircraft would go approximately 15-25 mi out before turning back inbound on his run and that he would be supersonic on his inbound run, I elected to pint out the aircraft to ZLA sector 38 as this would produce the least amount of coordination and frequency changes and still let the operation happen. The controller at ZLA sector 38 was advised of exactly what the pilot was going to do and he approved the pointout. I cleared fgt X for the supersonic run and he continued for dag, made the turn and came back into R2508. The aircraft went into ZLA's area west/O a pointout. The information that was available to me never mentioned or illustrated ZLA sector 37. The only place that this sector is illustrated at is in letter of agreement #1 in the attachment that shows the entire airspace confign of ZLA on a highly compressed map. The only controllers that were even aware that sector 37 existed, much less where it was located and how it affected the supersonic operation, were those who had worked at the center. Nowhere in the facility or in the training program is ZLA sector 37 mentioned other than that map. I, at the time of the 'deviation,' felt that all necessary coordination between myself (edw R3) and ZLA had been made. Not knowing that ZLA 37 was effected by the high altitude supersonic corridor entry 6 or entry 5 (which is from daggett to davis dam at the colorado river). It never entered my mind for consideration that the aircraft might enter ZLA 37's airspace to also coordinate with them. The aircraft went into ZLA 37's airspace west/O coordination.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPILL OUT OF RESTRICTED AREA OCCURRED WITHOUT COMPLETE COORD WITH ADJACENT FAC.
Narrative: AT APPROX XXXX (UCT), 3/89, FGT X WAS REQUESTING A HIGH ALT SUPERSONIC CORRIDOR RUN FROM FL 280 THROUGH FL320 FROM THE ENTRY POINT 6, WHICH IS THE DAGGETT VOR/SODA LAKE ENTRY POINT AND AN EXIT POINT 3 WHICH IS MT PINOS N. I COORDINATED ALL OF THE INFO AVAILABLE TO ME, SUCH AS THE POS BINDER WHICH HAD THE PROFILE OF THE SUPERSONIC CORRIDOR IN IT AND THE OVERHEAD MAPS WHICH SHOW ZLA'S SECTORS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO EDW APCH CTL'S AIRSPACE. AFTER CONSIDERING ALL OF THE INFO INVOLVED AND CONSIDERING THE ACFT WOULD GO APPROX 15-25 MI OUT BEFORE TURNING BACK INBND ON HIS RUN AND THAT HE WOULD BE SUPERSONIC ON HIS INBND RUN, I ELECTED TO PINT OUT THE ACFT TO ZLA SECTOR 38 AS THIS WOULD PRODUCE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COORD AND FREQ CHANGES AND STILL LET THE OPERATION HAPPEN. THE CTLR AT ZLA SECTOR 38 WAS ADVISED OF EXACTLY WHAT THE PLT WAS GOING TO DO AND HE APPROVED THE POINTOUT. I CLRED FGT X FOR THE SUPERSONIC RUN AND HE CONTINUED FOR DAG, MADE THE TURN AND CAME BACK INTO R2508. THE ACFT WENT INTO ZLA'S AREA W/O A POINTOUT. THE INFO THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO ME NEVER MENTIONED OR ILLUSTRATED ZLA SECTOR 37. THE ONLY PLACE THAT THIS SECTOR IS ILLUSTRATED AT IS IN LETTER OF AGREEMENT #1 IN THE ATTACHMENT THAT SHOWS THE ENTIRE AIRSPACE CONFIGN OF ZLA ON A HIGHLY COMPRESSED MAP. THE ONLY CTLRS THAT WERE EVEN AWARE THAT SECTOR 37 EXISTED, MUCH LESS WHERE IT WAS LOCATED AND HOW IT AFFECTED THE SUPERSONIC OPERATION, WERE THOSE WHO HAD WORKED AT THE CENTER. NOWHERE IN THE FAC OR IN THE TRNING PROGRAM IS ZLA SECTOR 37 MENTIONED OTHER THAN THAT MAP. I, AT THE TIME OF THE 'DEVIATION,' FELT THAT ALL NECESSARY COORD BTWN MYSELF (EDW R3) AND ZLA HAD BEEN MADE. NOT KNOWING THAT ZLA 37 WAS EFFECTED BY THE HIGH ALT SUPERSONIC CORRIDOR ENTRY 6 OR ENTRY 5 (WHICH IS FROM DAGGETT TO DAVIS DAM AT THE COLORADO RIVER). IT NEVER ENTERED MY MIND FOR CONSIDERATION THAT THE ACFT MIGHT ENTER ZLA 37'S AIRSPACE TO ALSO COORDINATE WITH THEM. THE ACFT WENT INTO ZLA 37'S AIRSPACE W/O COORD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.