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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : cvg|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 12000|
msl bound upper : 12000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : cvg|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Route In Use||enroute : on vectors|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 200|
flight time total : 14000
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : departure|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
other anomaly other
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Primary Problem||ATC Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Operational Deviation|
After departure from cvg runway 27L, we were cleared to 12,000 after our initial 6000' as per the cvg one departure, and heading of 270 degree. At about 25-30 miles from cvg at 12,000', I became concerned that departure control had forgot about us, but we could not break in because the frequency was so busy. After a couple of minutes I told the first officer we were no longer being controled, and to call ZID on 128.8. When 128.8 came up, they told us to change to 119.55. This controller told us we were coming out of the west side of the restr area (R3403A and R3403B) and didn't know how we got there. We were then issued a turn to the north and told to climb to our cruise altitude. Apparently the cvg controller forgot about us, and in his busy state we were left totally uncontrolled before making contact with enroute ATC. I did elect to continue the last heading and altitude assigned as the safest course of action as I saw no activity in our vicinity with WX cavu. I did ask indianapolis 119.55 for cvg departure control phone number. After landing at ord, I called cvg and spoke to cvg departure control supervisor. He said they were investigating the situation, and that some corrective measures were needed. I an my first officer then called ZID and spoke to supervisor. He said we had acted as we should have, by continuing as per our last clearance. He also stated no violations were forthcoming, but that some procedures needed to be looked at.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT ENTERED RESTRICTED AREA WITHOUT COORD AND COMPLETED FREQ CHANGE TO ARTCC WITHOUT HANDOFF.
Narrative: AFTER DEP FROM CVG RWY 27L, WE WERE CLRED TO 12,000 AFTER OUR INITIAL 6000' AS PER THE CVG ONE DEP, AND HDG OF 270 DEG. AT ABOUT 25-30 MILES FROM CVG AT 12,000', I BECAME CONCERNED THAT DEP CTL HAD FORGOT ABOUT US, BUT WE COULD NOT BREAK IN BECAUSE THE FREQ WAS SO BUSY. AFTER A COUPLE OF MINUTES I TOLD THE F/O WE WERE NO LONGER BEING CTLED, AND TO CALL ZID ON 128.8. WHEN 128.8 CAME UP, THEY TOLD US TO CHANGE TO 119.55. THIS CTLR TOLD US WE WERE COMING OUT OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE RESTR AREA (R3403A AND R3403B) AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THERE. WE WERE THEN ISSUED A TURN TO THE NORTH AND TOLD TO CLIMB TO OUR CRUISE ALT. APPARENTLY THE CVG CTLR FORGOT ABOUT US, AND IN HIS BUSY STATE WE WERE LEFT TOTALLY UNCTLED BEFORE MAKING CONTACT WITH ENROUTE ATC. I DID ELECT TO CONTINUE THE LAST HEADING AND ALT ASSIGNED AS THE SAFEST COURSE OF ACTION AS I SAW NO ACTIVITY IN OUR VICINITY WITH WX CAVU. I DID ASK INDIANAPOLIS 119.55 FOR CVG DEP CTL PHONE NUMBER. AFTER LNDG AT ORD, I CALLED CVG AND SPOKE TO CVG DEP CTL SUPVR. HE SAID THEY WERE INVESTIGATING THE SITUATION, AND THAT SOME CORRECTIVE MEASURES WERE NEEDED. I AN MY F/O THEN CALLED ZID AND SPOKE TO SUPVR. HE SAID WE HAD ACTED AS WE SHOULD HAVE, BY CONTINUING AS PER OUR LAST CLRNC. HE ALSO STATED NO VIOLATIONS WERE FORTHCOMING, BUT THAT SOME PROCS NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.