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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||airport : lhu|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng|
|Flight Phase||climbout : takeoff|
climbout : initial
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||ground : holding|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : atp
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 230|
flight time total : 2500
flight time type : 1000
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Anomaly||conflict : ground critical|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Miss Distance||horizontal : 0|
vertical : 300
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
While holding short of runway 5, talking to unicom and our company frequency to get a ramp and pattern, a small aircraft began to taxi on runway 5. We asked the small aircraft's intention and he told us that he would depart on runway 23 (wind was calm). We told him that we would hold until he departed. The small aircraft told us he would clear at the departure end of runway 5 and let us depart first. Our ground personnel told us that the small aircraft had cleared the runway, so we told unicom our intentions and departed runway 5. Just prior to rotation I noticed the small aircraft had not cleared the runway but was holding at the very end. We continued and after takeoff noticed he was holding on the stopway instead of the runup ramp to the side of the runway. Runway 5 has a high spot approximately 1000' from the end. I believe this is why we did not see the aircraft on the initial roll and why the ground personnel said the aircraft cleared, because it went out of sight. This situation could have been avoided if I had asked where the small aircraft was at the end of the runway, better training of the small aircraft pilot so that he would have been to the side of the runway instead of the stopway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-LTT MADE A TKOF WITH GA-SMA HOLDING ON THE RWY OVERRUN AT THE FAR END OF THE RWY.
Narrative: WHILE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 5, TALKING TO UNICOM AND OUR COMPANY FREQ TO GET A RAMP AND PATTERN, A SMA BEGAN TO TAXI ON RWY 5. WE ASKED THE SMA'S INTENTION AND HE TOLD US THAT HE WOULD DEPART ON RWY 23 (WIND WAS CALM). WE TOLD HIM THAT WE WOULD HOLD UNTIL HE DEPARTED. THE SMA TOLD US HE WOULD CLR AT THE DEP END OF RWY 5 AND LET US DEPART FIRST. OUR GND PERSONNEL TOLD US THAT THE SMA HAD CLRED THE RWY, SO WE TOLD UNICOM OUR INTENTIONS AND DEPARTED RWY 5. JUST PRIOR TO ROTATION I NOTICED THE SMA HAD NOT CLRED THE RWY BUT WAS HOLDING AT THE VERY END. WE CONTINUED AND AFTER TKOF NOTICED HE WAS HOLDING ON THE STOPWAY INSTEAD OF THE RUNUP RAMP TO THE SIDE OF THE RWY. RWY 5 HAS A HIGH SPOT APPROX 1000' FROM THE END. I BELIEVE THIS IS WHY WE DID NOT SEE THE ACFT ON THE INITIAL ROLL AND WHY THE GND PERSONNEL SAID THE ACFT CLRED, BECAUSE IT WENT OUT OF SIGHT. THIS SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF I HAD ASKED WHERE THE SMA WAS AT THE END OF THE RWY, BETTER TRNING OF THE SMA PLT SO THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO THE SIDE OF THE RWY INSTEAD OF THE STOPWAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.