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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : sat|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 11000|
msl bound upper : 12000
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zhy|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 150|
flight time total : 17950
flight time type : 10000
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : overshoot|
non adherence : clearance
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
The following ATC clearance is what we perceived (or what we thought we copied and thought we read back verifying same). Only the tapes can prove our actual clearance and the actual readbacks. While at a cruising altitude of FL280 north of austin with our destination being san antonio, we received a clearance to, 'descended to cross a point 11 mi north of austin at FL240.' while descending to comply, we received an additional clearance to descended to cross the same point at or below FL240 and to cross marcs at and maintain 11000'. The controller requested our altitude. After stating 11000', the controller came back that our clearance was to cross marcs at '12000''! After adding power and initiating a climb another controller cleared us to remain at 11000'. At this point and as stated before and west/O the tapes, I cannot be absolutely certain of what the actual clearance and actual readback were. The first officer believes the clearance to have been and read back the same to 'cross marcs at 11000'.' the F/east was attending to other duties and was not monitoring the radio at the point. If the actual clearance was to cross marcs at 12000', I can only speculate why we thought the clearance to be 11000'. Maybe the point 11 mi north of austin in the clearance confused us. If this confused us, it may confuse others. As a suggestion, maybe the crossing point north of austin should be changed to 12 mi. If indeed the actual clearance was to cross marcs at 11000', or if the clearance was to cross at 12000' and we copied and read back cross at 11000', then I feel the controller was in error for either giving us the 11000' crossing or for not catching our readback verification of the crossing to be at 11000'.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT WAS CLEARED TO DESCEND TO 12000' BUT DESCENDED TO 11000'.
Narrative: THE FOLLOWING ATC CLRNC IS WHAT WE PERCEIVED (OR WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COPIED AND THOUGHT WE READ BACK VERIFYING SAME). ONLY THE TAPES CAN PROVE OUR ACTUAL CLRNC AND THE ACTUAL READBACKS. WHILE AT A CRUISING ALT OF FL280 N OF AUSTIN WITH OUR DEST BEING SAN ANTONIO, WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO, 'DESCENDED TO CROSS A POINT 11 MI N OF AUSTIN AT FL240.' WHILE DSNDING TO COMPLY, WE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL CLRNC TO DESCENDED TO CROSS THE SAME POINT AT OR BELOW FL240 AND TO CROSS MARCS AT AND MAINTAIN 11000'. THE CTLR REQUESTED OUR ALT. AFTER STATING 11000', THE CTLR CAME BACK THAT OUR CLRNC WAS TO CROSS MARCS AT '12000''! AFTER ADDING PWR AND INITIATING A CLB ANOTHER CTLR CLRED US TO REMAIN AT 11000'. AT THIS POINT AND AS STATED BEFORE AND W/O THE TAPES, I CANNOT BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN OF WHAT THE ACTUAL CLRNC AND ACTUAL READBACK WERE. THE F/O BELIEVES THE CLRNC TO HAVE BEEN AND READ BACK THE SAME TO 'CROSS MARCS AT 11000'.' THE F/E WAS ATTENDING TO OTHER DUTIES AND WAS NOT MONITORING THE RADIO AT THE POINT. IF THE ACTUAL CLRNC WAS TO CROSS MARCS AT 12000', I CAN ONLY SPECULATE WHY WE THOUGHT THE CLRNC TO BE 11000'. MAYBE THE POINT 11 MI N OF AUSTIN IN THE CLRNC CONFUSED US. IF THIS CONFUSED US, IT MAY CONFUSE OTHERS. AS A SUGGESTION, MAYBE THE XING POINT N OF AUSTIN SHOULD BE CHANGED TO 12 MI. IF INDEED THE ACTUAL CLRNC WAS TO CROSS MARCS AT 11000', OR IF THE CLRNC WAS TO CROSS AT 12000' AND WE COPIED AND READ BACK CROSS AT 11000', THEN I FEEL THE CTLR WAS IN ERROR FOR EITHER GIVING US THE 11000' XING OR FOR NOT CATCHING OUR READBACK VERIFICATION OF THE XING TO BE AT 11000'.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.