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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 80405 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198801 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : vrb airport : cof |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 22000 msl bound upper : 23000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma tower : pit |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zma |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Experimental |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 80405 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 80399 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We were climbing out of mco. We were in mia center control climbing out of FL228 for FL230 assigned. We were watching traffic at 1 O'clock on climb out moving from our right to left and it looked to be at FL240. As the distance to the other aircraft got to be about 5 mi horizontal we became aware of a conflict. At this time the center controller told us to descended to FL220. An immediate descent was made to FL220. We passed about 600' below a black military spc aircraft being vectored to patrick AFB. We estimate about 1/2 mi sep. The controller never called traffic out to us and never gave an immediate type descent. A quick descent was made but not a violent evasive type action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN ACR AND MIL ACFT. OPERATIONAL ERROR.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING OUT OF MCO. WE WERE IN MIA CENTER CTL CLBING OUT OF FL228 FOR FL230 ASSIGNED. WE WERE WATCHING TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK ON CLBOUT MOVING FROM OUR RIGHT TO LEFT AND IT LOOKED TO BE AT FL240. AS THE DISTANCE TO THE OTHER ACFT GOT TO BE ABOUT 5 MI HORIZ WE BECAME AWARE OF A CONFLICT. AT THIS TIME THE CENTER CTLR TOLD US TO DESCENDED TO FL220. AN IMMEDIATE DSCNT WAS MADE TO FL220. WE PASSED ABOUT 600' BELOW A BLACK MIL SPC ACFT BEING VECTORED TO PATRICK AFB. WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 1/2 MI SEP. THE CTLR NEVER CALLED TFC OUT TO US AND NEVER GAVE AN IMMEDIATE TYPE DSCNT. A QUICK DSCNT WAS MADE BUT NOT A VIOLENT EVASIVE TYPE ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.