Cl-65 departure from lga makes long turn to assigned heading.

Attributes
ACN	606676
Time
Date	200401
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 1500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon tower : zzz.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : takeoff
Route In Use	departure : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	controller military : 4 flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 1800 flight time type : 85
ASRS Report	606676
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	607046
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Clearance issued right turn heading 340 degrees on takeoff (runway 31). At 400 ft AGL (I was PF), turned aircraft right to 340 degrees. Once on the correct heading, departure issued, 'turn to 270 degrees.' no direction (left or right) was specified. The captain has prior experience in airspace and had flown in new york terminal area frequently. He knew the reason for the right turn was to avoid teb arrs over the hudson, and arrs to the runway 22 (left traffic), even though a right turn would take longer to get to a 270 degree heading. At about a 030 degree heading, departure specified ('left turn to 270 degrees'). Captain queried ATC after the correction about it being a possible problem and ATC said no problem at all. Our perception having flown in the area regularly was that it was common to turn the long way around the compass and we often did turn right from the runway.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CL-65 DEP FROM LGA MAKES LONG TURN TO ASSIGNED HDG.

Narrative: CLRNC ISSUED R TURN HDG 340 DEGS ON TKOF (RWY 31). AT 400 FT AGL (I WAS PF), TURNED ACFT R TO 340 DEGS. ONCE ON THE CORRECT HDG, DEP ISSUED, 'TURN TO 270 DEGS.' NO DIRECTION (L OR R) WAS SPECIFIED. THE CAPT HAS PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN AIRSPACE AND HAD FLOWN IN NEW YORK TERMINAL AREA FREQUENTLY. HE KNEW THE REASON FOR THE R TURN WAS TO AVOID TEB ARRS OVER THE HUDSON, AND ARRS TO THE RWY 22 (L TFC), EVEN THOUGH A R TURN WOULD TAKE LONGER TO GET TO A 270 DEG HDG. AT ABOUT A 030 DEG HDG, DEP SPECIFIED ('L TURN TO 270 DEGS'). CAPT QUERIED ATC AFTER THE CORRECTION ABOUT IT BEING A POSSIBLE PROB AND ATC SAID NO PROB AT ALL. OUR PERCEPTION HAVING FLOWN IN THE AREA REGULARLY WAS THAT IT WAS COMMON TO TURN THE LONG WAY AROUND THE COMPASS AND WE OFTEN DID TURN R FROM THE RWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.