Government tfr incursion near el toro by a C177 pilot at 4500 ft on a VFR flight to hhr, ca.

Attributes
ACN	590436
Time
Date	200308
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : elb.vor
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Cardinal 177/177RG
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 820
ASRS Report	590436
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited penetrated airspace other
Consequence	faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Chart Or Publication FAA Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I departed from french valley airport and proceeded directly toward hawthorne airport (hhr). When I was approximately 2 mi east of el toro VOR (elb), I contacted socal approach control for flight following. Approach control informed me that I was within a tfr and suggested that I turn north immediately and contact hawthorne flight service for tfr information. I contacted hawthorne flight service and they indicated that there was a tfr around ventura and suggested that I recontact socal approach. I recontacted socal and filed an IFR clearance to hawthorne. I then followed my IFR clearance and subsequently landed at hawthorne an hour later. Socal asked me to call them. They asked me for details for the purpose of investigating my violation of the tfr. There were 3 flight restrs in the southern california area on this day: (fdc 3/7437) (fdc 3/7418) and disneyland. Based on these NOTAMS, I never violated any tfr. I landed before tfr 1 was active; I never entered the airspace associated with tfr 2, and did not fly over disneyland at less than 3000 ft AGL. Therefore, either these NOTAMS are inaccurate or socal is mistaken in the accusation that I violated a tfr.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: GOV TFR INCURSION NEAR EL TORO BY A C177 PLT AT 4500 FT ON A VFR FLT TO HHR, CA.

Narrative: I DEPARTED FROM FRENCH VALLEY ARPT AND PROCEEDED DIRECTLY TOWARD HAWTHORNE ARPT (HHR). WHEN I WAS APPROX 2 MI E OF EL TORO VOR (ELB), I CONTACTED SOCAL APCH CTL FOR FLT FOLLOWING. APCH CTL INFORMED ME THAT I WAS WITHIN A TFR AND SUGGESTED THAT I TURN N IMMEDIATELY AND CONTACT HAWTHORNE FLT SVC FOR TFR INFO. I CONTACTED HAWTHORNE FLT SVC AND THEY INDICATED THAT THERE WAS A TFR AROUND VENTURA AND SUGGESTED THAT I RECONTACT SOCAL APCH. I RECONTACTED SOCAL AND FILED AN IFR CLRNC TO HAWTHORNE. I THEN FOLLOWED MY IFR CLRNC AND SUBSEQUENTLY LANDED AT HAWTHORNE AN HR LATER. SOCAL ASKED ME TO CALL THEM. THEY ASKED ME FOR DETAILS FOR THE PURPOSE OF INVESTIGATING MY VIOLATION OF THE TFR. THERE WERE 3 FLT RESTRS IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AREA ON THIS DAY: (FDC 3/7437) (FDC 3/7418) AND DISNEYLAND. BASED ON THESE NOTAMS, I NEVER VIOLATED ANY TFR. I LANDED BEFORE TFR 1 WAS ACTIVE; I NEVER ENTERED THE AIRSPACE ASSOCIATED WITH TFR 2, AND DID NOT FLY OVER DISNEYLAND AT LESS THAN 3000 FT AGL. THEREFORE, EITHER THESE NOTAMS ARE INACCURATE OR SOCAL IS MISTAKEN IN THE ACCUSATION THAT I VIOLATED A TFR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.