An alleged government official tfr incursion by a PA28 pilot 6 NM northwest of myf, ca.

Attributes
ACN	590443
Time
Date	200308
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : sxc.vortac
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 3500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise : level
Route In Use	enroute airway : v25.airway
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 26.5 flight time total : 247.3 flight time type : 13.9
ASRS Report	590443
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Facility Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I departed santa catalina's avalon airport. The departure was wbound to the shoreline of the island, I made a left turn to overfly the island's city of avalon on the far south side of the island. Over the city, I tracked the 100 degree radial of the sxc VOR. At 30 DME from the sxc VOR, I made a radio call to socal approach on 127.4 to ask for an IFR clearance to fly the ILS at myf airport. The controller came back saying I was in violation of the tfr which was a 30 NM radius from sli VOR. They had me call after landing at myf. I spoke to 1-800-wxbrief on aug/fri/03 after XA00 PST to get the tfr information. I made sure my route of flight would take me outside the veil of the tfr before departure. The woman I spoke with said, 'it sounds like I may not have been within the 30 mi of sli VOR, but would have to check the radar reports to be sure.' they told me I can call back. I do not believe I was in violation of the tfr. The entire flight was at or below 3500 ft indicated altitude. I should have filed IFR before takeoff to make double sure I would not have a problem with the tfr. I was sure of my preflight planning and had confidence I would not violate the tfr. Another back up would have been to set the DME to sli and fly a DME arc of 33-35 NM from the tfr selected VOR.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ALLEGED GOV OFFICIAL TFR INCURSION BY A PA28 PLT 6 NM NW OF MYF, CA.

Narrative: I DEPARTED SANTA CATALINA'S AVALON ARPT. THE DEP WAS WBOUND TO THE SHORELINE OF THE ISLAND, I MADE A L TURN TO OVERFLY THE ISLAND'S CITY OF AVALON ON THE FAR S SIDE OF THE ISLAND. OVER THE CITY, I TRACKED THE 100 DEG RADIAL OF THE SXC VOR. AT 30 DME FROM THE SXC VOR, I MADE A RADIO CALL TO SOCAL APCH ON 127.4 TO ASK FOR AN IFR CLRNC TO FLY THE ILS AT MYF ARPT. THE CTLR CAME BACK SAYING I WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE TFR WHICH WAS A 30 NM RADIUS FROM SLI VOR. THEY HAD ME CALL AFTER LNDG AT MYF. I SPOKE TO 1-800-WXBRIEF ON AUG/FRI/03 AFTER XA00 PST TO GET THE TFR INFO. I MADE SURE MY RTE OF FLT WOULD TAKE ME OUTSIDE THE VEIL OF THE TFR BEFORE DEP. THE WOMAN I SPOKE WITH SAID, 'IT SOUNDS LIKE I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WITHIN THE 30 MI OF SLI VOR, BUT WOULD HAVE TO CHK THE RADAR RPTS TO BE SURE.' THEY TOLD ME I CAN CALL BACK. I DO NOT BELIEVE I WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE TFR. THE ENTIRE FLT WAS AT OR BELOW 3500 FT INDICATED ALT. I SHOULD HAVE FILED IFR BEFORE TKOF TO MAKE DOUBLE SURE I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROB WITH THE TFR. I WAS SURE OF MY PREFLT PLANNING AND HAD CONFIDENCE I WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE TFR. ANOTHER BACK UP WOULD HAVE BEEN TO SET THE DME TO SLI AND FLY A DME ARC OF 33-35 NM FROM THE TFR SELECTED VOR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.