LR55 missed altitude crossing restr because of late descent at tpa.

Attributes
ACN	588410
Time
Date	200307
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	intersection : brdge
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 24000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zma.artcc tracon : tpa.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Learjet 55
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival star : brdge
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 300
ASRS Report	588410
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	588416
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Inter Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

En route from pbi to tpa, we were given a cruise altitude of FL280. Climbing through FL270, ATC instructed us to descend to FL240 (pilot's discretion) after reaching FL280. We began the descent immediately. Upon reaching FL280, we were given a change of frequency. The new controller told us to cross (brdge intersection) at 11000 ft. We were 10 NM southeast of brdge intersection when issued this crossing restr. The captain told ATC that it would be impossible for us to make this crossing altitude. ATC then asked us if we had the chart for the arrival that shows to expect brdge at 11000 ft at 250 KTS. It makes no difference what altitude is expected if ATC does not issue a clearance to descend. It would have taken 9000+ FPM to comply with this clearing. To use sarcasm to cover poor controling was unnecessary.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LR55 MISSED ALT XING RESTR BECAUSE OF LATE DSCNT AT TPA.

Narrative: ENRTE FROM PBI TO TPA, WE WERE GIVEN A CRUISE ALT OF FL280. CLBING THROUGH FL270, ATC INSTRUCTED US TO DSND TO FL240 (PLT'S DISCRETION) AFTER REACHING FL280. WE BEGAN THE DSCNT IMMEDIATELY. UPON REACHING FL280, WE WERE GIVEN A CHANGE OF FREQ. THE NEW CTLR TOLD US TO CROSS (BRDGE INTXN) AT 11000 FT. WE WERE 10 NM SE OF BRDGE INTXN WHEN ISSUED THIS XING RESTR. THE CAPT TOLD ATC THAT IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO MAKE THIS XING ALT. ATC THEN ASKED US IF WE HAD THE CHART FOR THE ARR THAT SHOWS TO EXPECT BRDGE AT 11000 FT AT 250 KTS. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT ALT IS EXPECTED IF ATC DOES NOT ISSUE A CLRNC TO DSND. IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN 9000+ FPM TO COMPLY WITH THIS CLRING. TO USE SARCASM TO COVER POOR CTLING WAS UNNECESSARY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.