<< >> NASA ASRS Report 560427, September 2002

C560 crew depart ral on an 'as published' clearance to maintain 4000 ft. The published procedure required flight to enter a holding pattern.

Attributes
ACN	560427
Time
Date	200209
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ral.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Citation V
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	560427
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error

Narrative:

We were given a published departure procedure clearance from ral, then with a climb to 4000 ft the procedure consists of various scenarios -- provided the course of intended flight falls within a series of clockwise position relative to the pdz VOR. Our 'on course' would have been to pom VOR which has a course bordering either an 'enter the hold' or 'climb on course.' as we had been given instructions to maintain 4000 ft and the procedure instruction called for (a climb in a holding pattern to) 6700 ft, we entered the hold. The course from pdz to pom is 291 degree radial, which calls for climb to 6700 ft. I am not certain in my mind that ATC was clear on how they were handling us. We checked in with socal from ral tower and were given no further instructions. The next thing we heard was that we should be going to pom. I'm not convinced ATC was prepared to handle us after handoff from tower. We talked with the supervisor on the phone who stated we should not have been given that procedure.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: C560 CREW DEPART RAL ON AN 'AS PUBLISHED' CLRNC TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT. THE PUBLISHED PROC REQUIRED FLT TO ENTER A HOLDING PATTERN.

Narrative: WE WERE GIVEN A PUBLISHED DEP PROC CLRNC FROM RAL, THEN WITH A CLB TO 4000 FT THE PROC CONSISTS OF VARIOUS SCENARIOS -- PROVIDED THE COURSE OF INTENDED FLT FALLS WITHIN A SERIES OF CLOCKWISE POS RELATIVE TO THE PDZ VOR. OUR 'ON COURSE' WOULD HAVE BEEN TO POM VOR WHICH HAS A COURSE BORDERING EITHER AN 'ENTER THE HOLD' OR 'CLB ON COURSE.' AS WE HAD BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT AND THE PROC INSTRUCTION CALLED FOR (A CLB IN A HOLDING PATTERN TO) 6700 FT, WE ENTERED THE HOLD. THE COURSE FROM PDZ TO POM IS 291 DEG RADIAL, WHICH CALLS FOR CLB TO 6700 FT. I AM NOT CERTAIN IN MY MIND THAT ATC WAS CLR ON HOW THEY WERE HANDLING US. WE CHKED IN WITH SOCAL FROM RAL TWR AND WERE GIVEN NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. THE NEXT THING WE HEARD WAS THAT WE SHOULD BE GOING TO POM. I'M NOT CONVINCED ATC WAS PREPARED TO HANDLE US AFTER HDOF FROM TWR. WE TALKED WITH THE SUPVR ON THE PHONE WHO STATED WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THAT PROC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.