An MD80 crew, taxiing for takeoff at cyyz, crossed the hold short line for their departure runway.

Attributes
ACN	539192
Time
Date	200202
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cyyz.airport
State Reference	ON
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	539192
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
ASRS Report	539190
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Instructed to taxi taxiway a, taxiway H, taxiway Q, runway 23. Short taxi, and while making 'prepare for takeoff' PA to flight attendants, inadvertently passed the runway 23 hold line (placed at taxiway H/Q intersection and some distance from runway end) and stopped short of runway 23. We did not encroach on the runway, but did taxi past the remote hold short line -- apparently placed to permit tower viewing of runway 23 hold short traffic. Supplemental information from acn 539190: tower called and suggested the hold short line for the runway was remotely placed at the entrance to taxiway Q, so we had taxied past it while completing other duties, expecting to find the hold short line at the end of the runway. Cleveland features a similar arrangement, but a ball flag on the airport diagram notes the unusual confign. Would suggest a note in the airport page on the airport view or both.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN MD80 CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT CYYZ, CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR THEIR DEP RWY.

Narrative: INSTRUCTED TO TAXI TXWY A, TXWY H, TXWY Q, RWY 23. SHORT TAXI, AND WHILE MAKING 'PREPARE FOR TKOF' PA TO FLT ATTENDANTS, INADVERTENTLY PASSED THE RWY 23 HOLD LINE (PLACED AT TXWY H/Q INTXN AND SOME DISTANCE FROM RWY END) AND STOPPED SHORT OF RWY 23. WE DID NOT ENCROACH ON THE RWY, BUT DID TAXI PAST THE REMOTE HOLD SHORT LINE -- APPARENTLY PLACED TO PERMIT TWR VIEWING OF RWY 23 HOLD SHORT TFC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 539190: TWR CALLED AND SUGGESTED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR THE RWY WAS REMOTELY PLACED AT THE ENTRANCE TO TXWY Q, SO WE HAD TAXIED PAST IT WHILE COMPLETING OTHER DUTIES, EXPECTING TO FIND THE HOLD SHORT LINE AT THE END OF THE RWY. CLEVELAND FEATURES A SIMILAR ARRANGEMENT, BUT A BALL FLAG ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM NOTES THE UNUSUAL CONFIGN. WOULD SUGGEST A NOTE IN THE ARPT PAGE ON THE ARPT VIEW OR BOTH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.