<< >> NASA ASRS Report 514452, June 2001

B737-200 captain observes first officer challenged by a non-automated cockpit and misses a speed reduction until made aware by sct controller.

Attributes
ACN	514452
Time
Date	200106
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 3500
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : sfo.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 24r
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : instrument precision
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	514452
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

First officer flying, I was PNF. First officer relatively new, 5 months with company. First officer having a hard time keeping up with the aircraft and flight director on the B737-200. We were told to maintain 250 KTS. I was busy with the radios and watching the first officer fight the aircraft. I was mostly paying attention to his inability to stay on the localizer. When the controller asked 'speed,' we were at 225 KTS. We speed up. Our company flies a mix of mostly B737-300 that have glass cockpits, fully automated with good autoplts and good autothrottles. When flying the B737-200's, which happens rarely, the new people fall way behind due to their loss of flying ability with the automated cockpits. I should have taken over the flying since the first officer was struggling so much. This B737-200 had SP77 autoplt and no autothrottles.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737-200 CAPT OBSERVES FO CHALLENGED BY A NON-AUTOMATED COCKPIT AND MISSES A SPD REDUCTION UNTIL MADE AWARE BY SCT CTLR.

Narrative: FO FLYING, I WAS PNF. FO RELATIVELY NEW, 5 MONTHS WITH COMPANY. FO HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE ACFT AND FLT DIRECTOR ON THE B737-200. WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 250 KTS. I WAS BUSY WITH THE RADIOS AND WATCHING THE FO FIGHT THE ACFT. I WAS MOSTLY PAYING ATTN TO HIS INABILITY TO STAY ON THE LOC. WHEN THE CTLR ASKED 'SPD,' WE WERE AT 225 KTS. WE SPD UP. OUR COMPANY FLIES A MIX OF MOSTLY B737-300 THAT HAVE GLASS COCKPITS, FULLY AUTOMATED WITH GOOD AUTOPLTS AND GOOD AUTOTHROTTLES. WHEN FLYING THE B737-200'S, WHICH HAPPENS RARELY, THE NEW PEOPLE FALL WAY BEHIND DUE TO THEIR LOSS OF FLYING ABILITY WITH THE AUTOMATED COCKPITS. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER THE FLYING SINCE THE FO WAS STRUGGLING SO MUCH. THIS B737-200 HAD SP77 AUTOPLT AND NO AUTOTHROTTLES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.