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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||airport : isp.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 0|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model|
|Flight Phase||ground : taxi|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 230|
flight time total : 6000
flight time type : 3500
Isp was using runway 15R as its primary runway. Winds were approximately 170 degrees at 10 KTS gusting to 15 KTS and we had landed on runway 24. On taxi out, we requested runway 24 for departure, since it had a better stopping margin. We were told to use taxiway east and hold short of runway 33R. Approaching the hold short line for runway 33L (runway 15R), we noticed that the aircraft that was in position on runway 15R was starting to roll. The captain began braking at the same time the ground controller advised us to 'stop.' our aircraft stopped 5-10 ft over the hold line for runway 15R/33L and well short of the runway. After the other aircraft was airborne, we were cleared to taxi to runway 24. I feel this incident happened because isp was operating on runway 15, but the ground controller gave us hold short instructions reference runway 33. Since runway 15R was their primary, but we were at the runway 33 end, he gave us instructions reference runway 33. However, he said 'right' instead of 'left.' I don't know if he referenced runway 33 to try to help us at that end of the runway or due to habit patterns. Unfortunately, in this case, it didn't help. It would have been better if he had referenced the active runway (runway 15R).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INCORRECT TAXI CLRNC TO RWY 24, ISSUED BY ISP GND CTL TO A B777 RESULTS IN RWY INCURSION AND CONFLICT WITH A DEPARTING ACFT OFF RWY 15R.
Narrative: ISP WAS USING RWY 15R AS ITS PRIMARY RWY. WINDS WERE APPROX 170 DEGS AT 10 KTS GUSTING TO 15 KTS AND WE HAD LANDED ON RWY 24. ON TAXI OUT, WE REQUESTED RWY 24 FOR DEP, SINCE IT HAD A BETTER STOPPING MARGIN. WE WERE TOLD TO USE TXWY E AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33R. APCHING THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 33L (RWY 15R), WE NOTICED THAT THE ACFT THAT WAS IN POS ON RWY 15R WAS STARTING TO ROLL. THE CAPT BEGAN BRAKING AT THE SAME TIME THE GND CTLR ADVISED US TO 'STOP.' OUR ACFT STOPPED 5-10 FT OVER THE HOLD LINE FOR RWY 15R/33L AND WELL SHORT OF THE RWY. AFTER THE OTHER ACFT WAS AIRBORNE, WE WERE CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 24. I FEEL THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED BECAUSE ISP WAS OPERATING ON RWY 15, BUT THE GND CTLR GAVE US HOLD SHORT INSTRUCTIONS REF RWY 33. SINCE RWY 15R WAS THEIR PRIMARY, BUT WE WERE AT THE RWY 33 END, HE GAVE US INSTRUCTIONS REF RWY 33. HOWEVER, HE SAID 'R' INSTEAD OF 'L.' I DON'T KNOW IF HE REFED RWY 33 TO TRY TO HELP US AT THAT END OF THE RWY OR DUE TO HABIT PATTERNS. UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE, IT DIDN'T HELP. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF HE HAD REFED THE ACTIVE RWY (RWY 15R).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.