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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 500912 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200101 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tus.airport |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : u90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : u90.tracon |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Super Hercules GL207 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 500912 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne critical |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
While on descent in to tus, tus approach gave us a clearance to 8000 ft and advised us to call the airport. At 8000 ft and 30 mi west of tus, I advised the first officer to tell ATC we had the airport. Tus responded with a roger and then began a rather lengthy communication with a VFR aircraft who wanted radar advisories. Having just encountered similar circumstances on the previous flight, the first officer and I commented 'here we go again' and I began slowing the aircraft in preparation for the coming slam-dunk approach. We had just decided to query ATC about a further descent clearance when they advised us of a C130 at 1 O'clock position and 5 mi at 8000 ft -- the 4 visual approach clearance. The controller responded that he thought he had already given us a visual clearance. I began a descent to avoid the C130, and the TCASII subsequently gave us a descend RA, so I increased my rate of descent. The controller cleared us for the visual while all of this was occurring. The C13O passed about 1 mi behind and 500 ft above. Since we had already initiated a see and avoid maneuver, the response required by the RA was not an abrupt maneuver. We continued for a normal landing at tus.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC INITIATED EVASIVE MANEUVER AS U90 APPLIES VISUAL SEPARATION WITH A C130.
Narrative: WHILE ON DSCNT IN TO TUS, TUS APCH GAVE US A CLRNC TO 8000 FT AND ADVISED US TO CALL THE ARPT. AT 8000 FT AND 30 MI W OF TUS, I ADVISED THE FO TO TELL ATC WE HAD THE ARPT. TUS RESPONDED WITH A ROGER AND THEN BEGAN A RATHER LENGTHY COM WITH A VFR ACFT WHO WANTED RADAR ADVISORIES. HAVING JUST ENCOUNTERED SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES ON THE PREVIOUS FLT, THE FO AND I COMMENTED 'HERE WE GO AGAIN' AND I BEGAN SLOWING THE ACFT IN PREPARATION FOR THE COMING SLAM-DUNK APCH. WE HAD JUST DECIDED TO QUERY ATC ABOUT A FURTHER DSCNT CLRNC WHEN THEY ADVISED US OF A C130 AT 1 O'CLOCK POS AND 5 MI AT 8000 FT -- THE 4 VISUAL APCH CLRNC. THE CTLR RESPONDED THAT HE THOUGHT HE HAD ALREADY GIVEN US A VISUAL CLRNC. I BEGAN A DSCNT TO AVOID THE C130, AND THE TCASII SUBSEQUENTLY GAVE US A DSND RA, SO I INCREASED MY RATE OF DSCNT. THE CTLR CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL WHILE ALL OF THIS WAS OCCURRING. THE C13O PASSED ABOUT 1 MI BEHIND AND 500 FT ABOVE. SINCE WE HAD ALREADY INITIATED A SEE AND AVOID MANEUVER, THE RESPONSE REQUIRED BY THE RA WAS NOT AN ABRUPT MANEUVER. WE CONTINUED FOR A NORMAL LNDG AT TUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.