<< >> NASA ASRS Report 481401, August 2000

Flight crew of a B767 inadvertently taxied into position on the runway and held contrary to the controller's intent to have them hold their position off the runway.

Attributes
ACN	481401
Time
Date	200008
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : egkk.airport
State Reference	FO
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : egkk.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : position and hold
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 20200 flight time type : 1200
ASRS Report	481401
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	481519
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Gatwick tower said position after takeoff maintenance runway alignment, maintain 4000 ft. I asked my first officer to confirm position and hold. My first officer asked the tower to confirm position and hold, and gatwick tower said that's correct. I cleared for landing traffic and went into position and hold. At that point after I went into position and hold, gatwick tower told us we were not cleared to line up and told us to exit the runway at the second exit on the right. The main problem is the english use position with hold position, and the united states uses position with position and hold. The english use line up and wait, and we use position and hold. When we asked to confirm position and hold, I believe he thought we were going to hold our position.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF A B767 INADVERTENTLY TAXIED INTO POS ON THE RWY AND HELD CONTRARY TO THE CTLR'S INTENT TO HAVE THEM HOLD THEIR POS OFF THE RWY.

Narrative: GATWICK TWR SAID POS AFTER TKOF MAINT RWY ALIGNMENT, MAINTAIN 4000 FT. I ASKED MY FO TO CONFIRM POS AND HOLD. MY FO ASKED THE TWR TO CONFIRM POS AND HOLD, AND GATWICK TWR SAID THAT'S CORRECT. I CLRED FOR LNDG TFC AND WENT INTO POS AND HOLD. AT THAT POINT AFTER I WENT INTO POS AND HOLD, GATWICK TWR TOLD US WE WERE NOT CLRED TO LINE UP AND TOLD US TO EXIT THE RWY AT THE SECOND EXIT ON THE R. THE MAIN PROB IS THE ENGLISH USE POS WITH HOLD POS, AND THE UNITED STATES USES POS WITH POS AND HOLD. THE ENGLISH USE LINE UP AND WAIT, AND WE USE POS AND HOLD. WHEN WE ASKED TO CONFIRM POS AND HOLD, I BELIEVE HE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HOLD OUR POS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.