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Flight crew of a super MD80 slowed aircraft contrary to a published STAR arrival procedure causing the approach controller to intervene and remind them that the crew needed to ask permission to reduce speed.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 466829 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200003 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : cqy. cqy4 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 466829 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 466830 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Location: 5 mi east of dfw airport, approach flight was coming off cedar creek arrival assigned dfw runway 17C. Heading was 350 degrees on left downwind level 7000 ft. As captain I instructed the copilot to slow to 190 KIAS. Approach control asked our speed, told us that the STAR speed assignment was 210 KIAS and if we wanted to go slower we had to ask him for permission to reduce speed. After 2 turns to final the approach controller assigned a clearance to further slow and hold 180 KIAS to the runway 17C OM 'jiffy.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A SUPER MD80 SLOWED ACFT CONTRARY TO A PUBLISHED STAR ARR PROC CAUSING THE APCH CTLR TO INTERVENE AND REMIND THEM THAT THE CREW NEEDED TO ASK PERMISSION TO REDUCE SPD.
Narrative: LOCATION: 5 MI E OF DFW ARPT, APCH FLT WAS COMING OFF CEDAR CREEK ARR ASSIGNED DFW RWY 17C. HEADING WAS 350 DEGS ON L DOWNWIND LEVEL 7000 FT. AS CAPT I INSTRUCTED THE COPLT TO SLOW TO 190 KIAS. APCH CTL ASKED OUR SPD, TOLD US THAT THE STAR SPD ASSIGNMENT WAS 210 KIAS AND IF WE WANTED TO GO SLOWER WE HAD TO ASK HIM FOR PERMISSION TO REDUCE SPD. AFTER 2 TURNS TO FINAL THE APCH CTLR ASSIGNED A CLRNC TO FURTHER SLOW AND HOLD 180 KIAS TO THE RWY 17C OM 'JIFFY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.