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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 461050 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200001 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ind.airport |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Ice |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 461050 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Weather Airport |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
Narrative:
Received inaccurate information by this station of the surface condition of the active runway. Information was given in percentages of runway covered in snow/ice which tells me nothing in regards to thickness and specific location of moisture. Information was not current. Attempts to get accurate information were futile. I got a distinct impression that nobody at this airport really cared about providing information on the runway so I could decide how to compute my takeoff data to maintain a safe operation. I went with conservative data and had to remove cargo to remain within weight restr for the takeoff. Launched out of same station next morning. Reports of 1/2 ice on runway were erroneous, as the active runway was clear and dry.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A SUPER MD80 COMPLAINT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN SUFFICIENT RWY CONDITION INFO TO CALCULATE TKOF DATA AND THE LACK OF STANDARD RWY CONDITION RPTS FROM ARPTS.
Narrative: RECEIVED INACCURATE INFO BY THIS STATION OF THE SURFACE CONDITION OF THE ACTIVE RWY. INFO WAS GIVEN IN PERCENTAGES OF RWY COVERED IN SNOW/ICE WHICH TELLS ME NOTHING IN REGARDS TO THICKNESS AND SPECIFIC LOCATION OF MOISTURE. INFO WAS NOT CURRENT. ATTEMPTS TO GET ACCURATE INFO WERE FUTILE. I GOT A DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT NOBODY AT THIS ARPT REALLY CARED ABOUT PROVIDING INFO ON THE RWY SO I COULD DECIDE HOW TO COMPUTE MY TKOF DATA TO MAINTAIN A SAFE OP. I WENT WITH CONSERVATIVE DATA AND HAD TO REMOVE CARGO TO REMAIN WITHIN WT RESTR FOR THE TKOF. LAUNCHED OUT OF SAME STATION NEXT MORNING. RPTS OF 1/2 ICE ON RWY WERE ERRONEOUS, AS THE ACTIVE RWY WAS CLR AND DRY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.