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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 450719 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tol.airport |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tol.tracon |
| Operator | Other |
| Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 7748 flight time type : 3811 |
| ASRS Report | 450719 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : tol.tracon |
| Airport | procedure or policy : tol.airport |
Narrative:
Breach of communication. At XA45, I initiated a call to tol approach on 126.1 for radar following as I go to approximately 5.0 NM southeast of toledo express where my airwork starts. Approach responded 'stand by.' this to me means don't call me, I will call you. I continued on, but was ignored. At 6500 ft out, I aborted my airwork and did a 180 degree turn to 125 degree heading to exit the area. Still 1500 ft MSL, still no contact from approach, even though they were not that busy. As I continued southeast, I was finally called at 17.6 NM out of toledo express and was given a squawk code (nothing else). At 21 mi out, they requested my altitude, which was now 1400 ft. I was told to inform them before changing altitude. (I had never been given an altitude.) at 30 NM out, I had still not been contacted, so I requested release (from what I don't know). Most of the approach controllers are very helpful people and I realize what a pain in the neck we must be. I don't, however, want to have them report me for a communication breach which I see as being completely their fault. In the future, I will not be so bullheaded and I will call them back, even if I have been told to 'stand by.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C152 PLT WAS IGNORED WHEN HE ATTEMPTED TO OBTAIN CLRNC INTO TOL CLASS C AIRSPACE.
Narrative: BREACH OF COM. AT XA45, I INITIATED A CALL TO TOL APCH ON 126.1 FOR RADAR FOLLOWING AS I GO TO APPROX 5.0 NM SE OF TOLEDO EXPRESS WHERE MY AIRWORK STARTS. APCH RESPONDED 'STAND BY.' THIS TO ME MEANS DON'T CALL ME, I WILL CALL YOU. I CONTINUED ON, BUT WAS IGNORED. AT 6500 FT OUT, I ABORTED MY AIRWORK AND DID A 180 DEG TURN TO 125 DEG HDG TO EXIT THE AREA. STILL 1500 FT MSL, STILL NO CONTACT FROM APCH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT THAT BUSY. AS I CONTINUED SE, I WAS FINALLY CALLED AT 17.6 NM OUT OF TOLEDO EXPRESS AND WAS GIVEN A SQUAWK CODE (NOTHING ELSE). AT 21 MI OUT, THEY REQUESTED MY ALT, WHICH WAS NOW 1400 FT. I WAS TOLD TO INFORM THEM BEFORE CHANGING ALT. (I HAD NEVER BEEN GIVEN AN ALT.) AT 30 NM OUT, I HAD STILL NOT BEEN CONTACTED, SO I REQUESTED RELEASE (FROM WHAT I DON'T KNOW). MOST OF THE APCH CTLRS ARE VERY HELPFUL PEOPLE AND I REALIZE WHAT A PAIN IN THE NECK WE MUST BE. I DON'T, HOWEVER, WANT TO HAVE THEM RPT ME FOR A COM BREACH WHICH I SEE AS BEING COMPLETELY THEIR FAULT. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL NOT BE SO BULLHEADED AND I WILL CALL THEM BACK, EVEN IF I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO 'STAND BY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.