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A challenger flight reports bed tower issuing after takeoff instructions prior to being cleared for the takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 447599 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199909 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bed.airport |
| State Reference | MA |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Challenger Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 447599 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
When calling tower for takeoff clearance, the reply you often get is 'on departure turn left 250 degrees, hold short.' when the tower does not intend to release you, they should not be issuing departure instructions. When they say 'cleared for takeoff,' then add turn left 250 degrees, the issuing of a heading without an actual takeoff clearance could cause a problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CHALLENGER FLT RPTS BED TWR ISSUING AFTER TKOF INSTRUCTIONS PRIOR TO BEING CLRED FOR THE TKOF.
Narrative: WHEN CALLING TWR FOR TKOF CLRNC, THE REPLY YOU OFTEN GET IS 'ON DEP TURN L 250 DEGS, HOLD SHORT.' WHEN THE TWR DOES NOT INTEND TO RELEASE YOU, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ISSUING DEP INSTRUCTIONS. WHEN THEY SAY 'CLRED FOR TKOF,' THEN ADD TURN L 250 DEGS, THE ISSUING OF A HDG WITHOUT AN ACTUAL TKOF CLRNC COULD CAUSE A PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.