<< >> NASA ASRS Report 433351, April 1999

Student pilot of a piper PA28-161 lost directional control of the aircraft during landing touchdown and hit runway edge lights on side of runway.

Attributes
ACN	433351
Time
Date	199904
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lci.airport
State Reference	NH
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : roll
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 550 flight time type : 57
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical excursion : runway ground encounters other other anomaly
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : regained aircraft control none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	other Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

The occurrence happened during an instructional flight covering normal takeoffs and lndgs. During the landing rollout of our 5TH landing, the student deflected left aileron due to tension and drifted into the runway edge lights on our touchdown. I applied right rudder to get back on centerline and we hit a couple lights in the process. We taxied back, shut down, and inspected the damage. The student's lack of familiarity with lndgs, fatigue and my overzealousness for him to learn to get it right by correcting for his error all contributed to this. Again, the age old saying about if in doubt don't would have helped stop this from happening. I should not let my students get so far behind the airplane and lessen the number of lndgs done to reduce fatigue.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: STUDENT PLT OF A PIPER PA28-161 LOST DIRECTIONAL CTL OF THE ACFT DURING LNDG TOUCHDOWN AND HIT RWY EDGE LIGHTS ON SIDE OF RWY.

Narrative: THE OCCURRENCE HAPPENED DURING AN INSTRUCTIONAL FLT COVERING NORMAL TKOFS AND LNDGS. DURING THE LNDG ROLLOUT OF OUR 5TH LNDG, THE STUDENT DEFLECTED L AILERON DUE TO TENSION AND DRIFTED INTO THE RWY EDGE LIGHTS ON OUR TOUCHDOWN. I APPLIED R RUDDER TO GET BACK ON CTRLINE AND WE HIT A COUPLE LIGHTS IN THE PROCESS. WE TAXIED BACK, SHUT DOWN, AND INSPECTED THE DAMAGE. THE STUDENT'S LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH LNDGS, FATIGUE AND MY OVERZEALOUSNESS FOR HIM TO LEARN TO GET IT RIGHT BY CORRECTING FOR HIS ERROR ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THIS. AGAIN, THE AGE OLD SAYING ABOUT IF IN DOUBT DON'T WOULD HAVE HELPED STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING. I SHOULD NOT LET MY STUDENTS GET SO FAR BEHIND THE AIRPLANE AND LESSEN THE NUMBER OF LNDGS DONE TO REDUCE FATIGUE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.