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An F100 first officer is confused as to approach parameters when the approach controller in N90 clears the flight to intercept the runway 4 localizer course for the expressway visual approach. Thought controller was changing runways from runway 31 to runway 4.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 404460 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199806 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : sba |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 404460 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Approaching minks arriving lga, ATIS said expect runway 31 expressway visual. We were all set up for the expressway 31 visual. Approaching minks, approach control said intercept localizer runway 4. We thought he now wanted us to land on runway 4. After intercepting localizer runway 4, approach control said cleared expressway 31 visual. We completed and went to tower. Unsure of our exact position and what approach control really wanted, we requested and received help from lga tower and flew visual to runway 31 with no problem. Note: the flight following us arriving from mia apparently had the same confusion. We were on final when we heard lga tower vector them off 4 localizer for the visual 31. Expressway 31 visual 19-2 does say use ilga for course guidance, however, when approach control clears an aircraft to intercept 4 localizer, he should say intercept 4 localizer for the expressway visual 31. I think using the ilga localizer course instead of lga 225 degree radial is changed from the last trip to lga.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN F100 FO IS CONFUSED AS TO APCH PARAMETERS WHEN THE APCH CTLR IN N90 CLRS THE FLT TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 4 LOC COURSE FOR THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL APCH. THOUGHT CTLR WAS CHANGING RWYS FROM RWY 31 TO RWY 4.
Narrative: APCHING MINKS ARRIVING LGA, ATIS SAID EXPECT RWY 31 EXPRESSWAY VISUAL. WE WERE ALL SET UP FOR THE EXPRESSWAY 31 VISUAL. APCHING MINKS, APCH CTL SAID INTERCEPT LOC RWY 4. WE THOUGHT HE NOW WANTED US TO LAND ON RWY 4. AFTER INTERCEPTING LOC RWY 4, APCH CTL SAID CLRED EXPRESSWAY 31 VISUAL. WE COMPLETED AND WENT TO TWR. UNSURE OF OUR EXACT POS AND WHAT APCH CTL REALLY WANTED, WE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED HELP FROM LGA TWR AND FLEW VISUAL TO RWY 31 WITH NO PROB. NOTE: THE FLT FOLLOWING US ARRIVING FROM MIA APPARENTLY HAD THE SAME CONFUSION. WE WERE ON FINAL WHEN WE HEARD LGA TWR VECTOR THEM OFF 4 LOC FOR THE VISUAL 31. EXPRESSWAY 31 VISUAL 19-2 DOES SAY USE ILGA FOR COURSE GUIDANCE, HOWEVER, WHEN APCH CTL CLRS AN ACFT TO INTERCEPT 4 LOC, HE SHOULD SAY INTERCEPT 4 LOC FOR THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL 31. I THINK USING THE ILGA LOC COURSE INSTEAD OF LGA 225 DEG RADIAL IS CHANGED FROM THE LAST TRIP TO LGA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.