<< >> NASA ASRS Report 401203, May 1998

First officer of CL65 attempts to remind captain of crossing restr assigned. They still cross above assigned altitude.

Attributes
ACN	401203
Time
Date	199805
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pie
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 21000 msl bound upper : 25000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Challenger CL604
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	401203
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Captain was flying this leg from cvg-mco. Routing took us from tlh (szw) VOR to pie VOR. Center told us to descend to cross pie VOR at FL210. By the time we crossed pie VOR we were still descending through FL225 on the way to FL210. I queried the captain about the crossing restr about 10 mi before pie VOR, and he replied that he was not aware of any crossing restr. He did not heed my advice on the matter. ATC was busy at the time, so I could not verify the situation with them on the radio. The next time this occurs, I will be much more assertive in voicing my opinions about these matters. No conflict was evident and ATC did not even mention the failure to make this crossing restr to us, so it probably was a non-event, this time.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FO OF CL65 ATTEMPTS TO REMIND CAPT OF XING RESTR ASSIGNED. THEY STILL CROSS ABOVE ASSIGNED ALT.

Narrative: CAPT WAS FLYING THIS LEG FROM CVG-MCO. ROUTING TOOK US FROM TLH (SZW) VOR TO PIE VOR. CTR TOLD US TO DSND TO CROSS PIE VOR AT FL210. BY THE TIME WE CROSSED PIE VOR WE WERE STILL DSNDING THROUGH FL225 ON THE WAY TO FL210. I QUERIED THE CAPT ABOUT THE XING RESTR ABOUT 10 MI BEFORE PIE VOR, AND HE REPLIED THAT HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY XING RESTR. HE DID NOT HEED MY ADVICE ON THE MATTER. ATC WAS BUSY AT THE TIME, SO I COULD NOT VERIFY THE SIT WITH THEM ON THE RADIO. THE NEXT TIME THIS OCCURS, I WILL BE MUCH MORE ASSERTIVE IN VOICING MY OPINIONS ABOUT THESE MATTERS. NO CONFLICT WAS EVIDENT AND ATC DID NOT EVEN MENTION THE FAILURE TO MAKE THIS XING RESTR TO US, SO IT PROBABLY WAS A NON-EVENT, THIS TIME.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.