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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 399800 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199804 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 9500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : las tracon : lsv |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : las |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 23000 |
| ASRS Report | 399800 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Flying from mev-las at 9500 ft, I was being advised by nellis approach on V150 bty-hiden-las. I was turned over to las approach north of hiden intersection. Unable to contact las approach (125.9), returned to nellis to ask whether or not they could arrange a class B entry with las approach. They said 'no' but gave me another frequency for las. No contact. I remained clear of class B and circled ccw to V394 area and tried again. After many attempts, I received the old 'standby!' cessna call. After 15 or 20 mins of standby with a few more calls to las approach, I gave up. By this time I had descended to 8500 ft wbound from a point between V394 and hiden. As I was floundering, trying to figure a plan 'B,' I had gone wbound and the VOR was beginning to wander on the las 116.9 signal. I switched to dag 113.2 and couldn't get a good signal. I tried the flybuddies GPS and it started acting up. I couldn't get it to select the proper letters for the idents, ie, I could get the 'D' for daggett but not the 'a' or 'G.' I now couldn't retune las getting the 'left' but not the 'a' or 'south.' then my 3 yr old started throwing up in the back seat. During that time I might have encroached on restr areas 2502 north or east. I don't think I was that far east at the time but it may have happened. I found out later that the GPS in this aircraft has a history of the same symptoms. It has been back to the factory a few times. The flight was going to be a simple cross country to las. I saw no reason not to be able to get in. Clear and a million. I needed plan B.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C182 PLT RPT ON THE UNAVAILABILITY OF VFR SVCS TO VFR ACFT NEAR LAS. PLT WAS UNABLE TO OBTAIN A CLRNC INTO THE CLASS B.
Narrative: FLYING FROM MEV-LAS AT 9500 FT, I WAS BEING ADVISED BY NELLIS APCH ON V150 BTY-HIDEN-LAS. I WAS TURNED OVER TO LAS APCH N OF HIDEN INTXN. UNABLE TO CONTACT LAS APCH (125.9), RETURNED TO NELLIS TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD ARRANGE A CLASS B ENTRY WITH LAS APCH. THEY SAID 'NO' BUT GAVE ME ANOTHER FREQ FOR LAS. NO CONTACT. I REMAINED CLR OF CLASS B AND CIRCLED CCW TO V394 AREA AND TRIED AGAIN. AFTER MANY ATTEMPTS, I RECEIVED THE OLD 'STANDBY!' CESSNA CALL. AFTER 15 OR 20 MINS OF STANDBY WITH A FEW MORE CALLS TO LAS APCH, I GAVE UP. BY THIS TIME I HAD DSNDED TO 8500 FT WBOUND FROM A POINT BTWN V394 AND HIDEN. AS I WAS FLOUNDERING, TRYING TO FIGURE A PLAN 'B,' I HAD GONE WBOUND AND THE VOR WAS BEGINNING TO WANDER ON THE LAS 116.9 SIGNAL. I SWITCHED TO DAG 113.2 AND COULDN'T GET A GOOD SIGNAL. I TRIED THE FLYBUDDIES GPS AND IT STARTED ACTING UP. I COULDN'T GET IT TO SELECT THE PROPER LETTERS FOR THE IDENTS, IE, I COULD GET THE 'D' FOR DAGGETT BUT NOT THE 'A' OR 'G.' I NOW COULDN'T RETUNE LAS GETTING THE 'L' BUT NOT THE 'A' OR 'S.' THEN MY 3 YR OLD STARTED THROWING UP IN THE BACK SEAT. DURING THAT TIME I MIGHT HAVE ENCROACHED ON RESTR AREAS 2502 N OR E. I DON'T THINK I WAS THAT FAR E AT THE TIME BUT IT MAY HAVE HAPPENED. I FOUND OUT LATER THAT THE GPS IN THIS ACFT HAS A HISTORY OF THE SAME SYMPTOMS. IT HAS BEEN BACK TO THE FACTORY A FEW TIMES. THE FLT WAS GOING TO BE A SIMPLE XCOUNTRY TO LAS. I SAW NO REASON NOT TO BE ABLE TO GET IN. CLR AND A MILLION. I NEEDED PLAN B.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.