<< >> NASA ASRS Report 379500, September 1997

PIC of departure air carrier medium large transport disclaims any altitude deviation as insinuated by socal controller. Controller claims that flight crew was 'a little high' in crossing pom VOR on their SID departure procedure.

Attributes
ACN	379500
Time
Date	199709
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pom airport : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid enroute airway : lax enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	379500
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Flight departed ont en route rno at PM05. Cleared on the pomona 6 SID to climb and maintain 14000 ft, observing crossing restrs. On departure, I was climbing the aircraft on a profile to 'make' the depicted crossing rests, namely pom VOR at or below 8000 ft MSL and bucck intersection at or below 14000 ft MSL, and doing so to avoid a leveloff. Crossing pom at 8000 ft I continued the climb to make my next restr which was bucck intersection at or above 14000 ft. Socal departure control called and asked if we had complied with the 8000 ft restr at pom VOR. I told him that our gauges showed us crossing pom right at 8000 ft. The controller advised us that we had looked a little high at pom and suggested that we might allow another 1/2 mi in the future explaining that that airspace was very important to ZLA. I thanked the gentleman for the information which we would make note of and continued our departure. No other aircraft present.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PIC OF DEP ACR MLG DISCLAIMS ANY ALTDEV AS INSINUATED BY SOCAL CTLR. CTLR CLAIMS THAT FLC WAS 'A LITTLE HIGH' IN XING POM VOR ON THEIR SID DEP PROC.

Narrative: FLT DEPARTED ONT ENRTE RNO AT PM05. CLRED ON THE POMONA 6 SID TO CLB AND MAINTAIN 14000 FT, OBSERVING XING RESTRS. ON DEP, I WAS CLBING THE ACFT ON A PROFILE TO 'MAKE' THE DEPICTED XING RESTS, NAMELY POM VOR AT OR BELOW 8000 FT MSL AND BUCCK INTXN AT OR BELOW 14000 FT MSL, AND DOING SO TO AVOID A LEVELOFF. XING POM AT 8000 FT I CONTINUED THE CLB TO MAKE MY NEXT RESTR WHICH WAS BUCCK INTXN AT OR ABOVE 14000 FT. SOCAL DEP CTL CALLED AND ASKED IF WE HAD COMPLIED WITH THE 8000 FT RESTR AT POM VOR. I TOLD HIM THAT OUR GAUGES SHOWED US XING POM RIGHT AT 8000 FT. THE CTLR ADVISED US THAT WE HAD LOOKED A LITTLE HIGH AT POM AND SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT ALLOW ANOTHER 1/2 MI IN THE FUTURE EXPLAINING THAT THAT AIRSPACE WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ZLA. I THANKED THE GENTLEMAN FOR THE INFO WHICH WE WOULD MAKE NOTE OF AND CONTINUED OUR DEP. NO OTHER ACFT PRESENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.