Flight crew is 400 ft low over fuelr during approach into lax.

Attributes
ACN	344205
Time
Date	199608
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7600 msl bound upper : 8000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : second officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 8000
ASRS Report	344205
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified
Airport	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

We were cleared for civet 1 arrival to runway 25L at lax. We were notified 10 days after the flight that we were 400 ft low over fuelr by the company, who were informed by ATC. I remember nothing concerning this deviation. I wish we had been notified at the time because it is possible that an erroneous altimeter setting could have been the culprit. We do pay strict attention to required altitudes no matter which airport. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was a so flight crew member. He has a lot of time as pilot. He was not aware of why the 8000 ft restr is in place at fuelr. Nor was he aware that following the GS on this approach would place the aircraft below the altitude restr at fuelr. Reporter was explained why the 8000 ft restr is there. With that understanding, he was asked the question that if the controller made the statement after clearance to ILS runway 25L is given, 'comply with all altitude restrs,' would it alert him that altitude xings are to be maintained. He expressed that it would be a great help to him and all flight crew members.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC IS 400 FT LOW OVER FUELR DURING APCH INTO LAX.

Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR CIVET 1 ARR TO RWY 25L AT LAX. WE WERE NOTIFIED 10 DAYS AFTER THE FLT THAT WE WERE 400 FT LOW OVER FUELR BY THE COMPANY, WHO WERE INFORMED BY ATC. I REMEMBER NOTHING CONCERNING THIS DEV. I WISH WE HAD BEEN NOTIFIED AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT AN ERRONEOUS ALTIMETER SETTING COULD HAVE BEEN THE CULPRIT. WE DO PAY STRICT ATTN TO REQUIRED ALTS NO MATTER WHICH ARPT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS A SO FLC MEMBER. HE HAS A LOT OF TIME AS PLT. HE WAS NOT AWARE OF WHY THE 8000 FT RESTR IS IN PLACE AT FUELR. NOR WAS HE AWARE THAT FOLLOWING THE GS ON THIS APCH WOULD PLACE THE ACFT BELOW THE ALT RESTR AT FUELR. RPTR WAS EXPLAINED WHY THE 8000 FT RESTR IS THERE. WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, HE WAS ASKED THE QUESTION THAT IF THE CTLR MADE THE STATEMENT AFTER CLRNC TO ILS RWY 25L IS GIVEN, 'COMPLY WITH ALL ALT RESTRS,' WOULD IT ALERT HIM THAT ALT XINGS ARE TO BE MAINTAINED. HE EXPRESSED THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP TO HIM AND ALL FLC MEMBERS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.